namiel wrote:
Check out all of the new dark angel bits before you begin. There are plent of good stuff in the new term box as well as the black knight box.

For sheilds look at the knights shields. they are awesome.

Jpat1213 wrote:
Drop these

Deathwing storm bolter unit
Belial

Ravenwing command squad with standard of devastation
how are you getting this? to get this you must have a HQ choice on a bike, my suggestion is just take 5 marines in a LRC with a banner

What is the LRC for?
I like the dark talons they seem good for only a 160 points(minus the range) on your flight stand your literrly going to be like 16 inches away.

only 20 marines kinda ehhs me. id add more of those and max out that DWK squad to 10 just to keep it

 Julnlecs wrote:
Belial is too expensive for what he does. Id drop him for Azrael. Much better buy. 3 LRC is the way to go with thebanner.

Jpat1213 wrote:
Keep the banner and fix the core of the army if you want pods if suggest x4 tactical in pods melta guns n such add some bikes an maybe deathwing knights that way you benefit greatly from the banner round 2 you can salvo 160 bolter shots into someone ouch! Normal terminators are too pricey for what the do if you run the all pods make sure you have some fast units to compliment it

 Whereswaldo wrote:
A full ravenwing list using the banner as a core is pretty awesome (sadly I don't have the models for a full ravenwing force) .... I started using tri-raider since the hurricane bolters turn into salvo 2/4 - 12 twin-linked shots per sponsor.

Librarian (Bolt Pistol & Force Sword, Divination) – 65 {Attached to the Company Command Squad}
Techmarine (Space Marine Bike, Power Field Generator) - 115
Company Command Squad (5 Veterans with Boltguns, Standard of Devastation – 165 {Deployed in the Land Raider Crusader}

Tactical Squad (Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines with Bolters) – 140
Tactical Squad (Sergeant with Bolter, 9 Space Marines with Bolters) – 140

Land Raider Crusader (Deathwing Vehicle, Multi-Melta) – 290
Land Raider Crusader (Deathwing Vehicle, Multi-Melta) – 290
Land Raider Crusader (Deathwing Vehicle, Multi-Melta) – 290

= 1495 - for higher points games add in 3 man squads of ravenwing with 2 melta guns to scout move for anti-tank and more troops to sit on objectives.

Imo works wonders, 152+ bolter shot b/t the 3 land raiders and 2 tactical squads (72 of them twin-linked) - 4+ inuv save on the land raiders with the techmarine trailing behind on a bike & the banner + warlord stays inside their Land Raider the entire game.

The banner is amazing, I started this edition playing pure deathwing and swapped over to a mix due to salvo bolters. I originally started off with 1 land raider and the command squad bunkered inside, using x4 10 man tactical squads (plasma & missile launcher), 2 on objectives and 2 flanking the land raider.

Deathwing Knights also work well with 1-2 land raiders to knock down anything that could be getting into charge range of the raiders (with the one turn smite mode they can be amazing).

 namiel wrote:
... pfg in with the command squad in the center... ... if you keep the lrc within 3" of eachother they will all have a 4++

 nolzur wrote:

 namiel wrote:
... pfg in with the command squad in the center... ... if you keep the lrc within 3" of eachother they will all have a 4++

Nope. according to the FAQ, if the PFG is inside a vehicle, it only effects the models inside that vehicle. It would not effect the vehicles/squads around, and not even the vehicle that it is riding in.

 namiel wrote:

 nolzur wrote:

 namiel wrote:
... pfg in with the command squad in the center... ... if you keep the lrc within 3" of eachother they will all have a 4++

Nope. according to the FAQ, if the PFG is inside a vehicle, it only effects the models inside that vehicle. It would not effect the vehicles/squads around, and not even the vehicle that it is riding in.

that blows....

 Whereswaldo wrote:
ya you can take a techmarine on a bike with one .... keep him behind the middle land raider and keep him turned sideways to get rather range on the 3" ..... its doable and outside getting hit by barrage / helldrakes / doomscythes / some deep striking units nothing should really get LOS on him.


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and he still has a 2+ armor and 4+ inuv save with T5 on the bike (not bad since he should be LOS blocked too).


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DWV is a must if your taking raiders with the banner ... being able to make your opponent reroll an explode is well worth 30 points.