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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey folks! this is a list I've played a few times to great effect but I'm thinking I'd like to try playing in tournaments soon and would like some advice/review before I commit to it.<br /> <br /> 1850 Pts - Imperial Guard Roster<br /> <br /> Total Roster Cost: 1850<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Company Command Squad (6#, <br />    4 Company Command Squad, =  + Medi-pack  + Regimental Standard  + Vox Caster  + Plasma gun x1 <br />       1 Company Commander,  = Power Fist )<br />       1 Chimera,  <br /> <br /> Troops: Veteran Squad (11#, <br />    9 Veteran Squad, + Vox Caster  + Plasma gun x3  + Grenadiers <br />       1 Veteran Sergeant,  + Power Fist <br />       1 Chimera, <br /> <br /> Troops: Veteran Squad (11#, <br />    9 Veteran Squad,  + Vox Caster 5 + Flamer x1  + Meltagun x1 + Plasma gun x1 <br />       1 Veteran Sergeant,  + Plasma Pistol + Power Weapon <br />       1 Chimera, <br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Leman Russ Squadron 3#,<br />    1 Leman Russ Squadron, 0 pts<br />       1 Leman Russ Battle Tank, + Lascannon  + Heavy Bolter Sponsons x2 )<br />       1 Leman Russ Battle Tank, Lascannon + Heavy Bolter Sponsons x2 + Extra Armour )<br />       1 Leman Russ Executioner,   + Lascannon  + Plasma Cannon Sponsons x2  + Extra Armour  + Pintle Heavy Stubber )<br />          1 Knight Commander Pask, <br /> <br /> Troops: Infantry Platoon (32#, )<br />    1 Infantry Platoon, 0 pts<br />       4 Platoon Command Squad, + Medi-pack  + Platoon Standard  + Vox Caster <br />          1 Commissar, =   Power Fist )<br />          1 Platoon Commande =  + Plasma Pistol + Power Weapon)<br />       9 Infantry Squad, 5) + Flamer x1<br />          1 Sergeant,+ Plasma Pistol  + Power Weapon )<br />       9 Infantry Squad, ) + Flamer x1 <br />          1 Sergeant,  + Power Weapon )<br />       3 Heavy Weapons Squad,  + Lascannon x3 <br />       3 Heavy Weapons Squad, + Lascannon x3 <br /> <br /> : Ministorum Priest (<br />    1 Ministorum Priest,  + Eviscerator]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Remove the points costs for upgrades from your list. It is against the forum rules. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And done.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You do know about the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> to lumbering behemoth, right?]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Imperial Guard 1850</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I've played all of 4 games in this new edition as I've just got back to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> after 5 years not playing.  Which is why I posted this. so I'm a bit fuzzy on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQs</span>. I take it I've done something wrong? elaborate please <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Commissar Slade]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Lumbering Behemoth basically no longer exists and all Russes are counted as Heavy instead. So, if you fire an Ordnance gun, all of your other weapons will be firing snapshots.<br /> <br /> And about the rest of your list, you're taking a lot of unnecessary upgrades. Drop the extra armour on the Russes, all the extra upgrades on the Battle Tanks (and the Stubber), Vox Casters, and Medi-Packs. <br /> <br /> Normally I'd say you should drop all of your melee upgrades, but I'm guessing you use the platoon to blob around your vehicles? Even then, you should still drop the priest. You never want to be charging as Imperial Guard. Why would you ever want to receive over watch instead of firing it?<br /> <br /> Your Veterans need to take all three of the same special weapon, otherwise each round of shooting two of your guns are wasted. <br /> <br /> Drop at least one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span> and give your Infantry Squads Lascannons. Infantry Squads are much better carriers for heavy weapons. A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span> will take a morale check from 1 casualty, and are easily instant deathed.<br /> <br /> I'd give your Platoon Command Squad a Chimera and four special weapons of your choice. <br /> <br /> Lastly, your Russes shouldn't be all in the same squadron. You have three Heavy Support slots, use them.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> You can see the Imperial Guard <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> here: <a href="http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180056a_Imperial_Guard_v1.3_APRIL13.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180056a_Imperial_Guard_v1.3_APRIL13.pdf</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks! that's a lot of rework required. so should I remove the sponsons on the russes then?  I'm still getting used snap firing. And my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span> was supposed to counter assault, but I see your point. I'll be up a while re-tooling this list. ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Commissar Slade]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span> with x4 Flamers in a Chimera is an amazing counter assault unit. Your squad gets assaulted, and you get to fire overwatch out of the transport. After it's wrecked you get to shoot the flamers normally. Then, if you're enemy is still alive and hasn't learned his lesson yet, you fire overwatch again.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And to rewrite your list for sane people...<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span> -  Medic, Standard, Vox, 1x plasma, powerfist<br />  - chimera<br /> Priest - eviscerator<br /> <br /> Vets - 3x plasma, grenadiers, fist<br />  - chimera<br /> <br /> Vets - Vox, melta, plasma, flamer, plasma pistol, power weapon<br />  - chimera<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(89);'>LRBT</span> - lascannon, heavy bolters<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(89);'>LRBT</span> - lascannon, heavy bolters, EA<br /> Executoner - lascannon, plasmas, EA, stubber, pask<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span> - medic, platoon standard, vox, plasma pistol, power weapon, commissar with fist. <br /> PIS - flamer, plasma pistol, power weapon<br /> PIS - flamer, power weapon<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span> - lascannons<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span> - lascannons<br /> <br /> ... okay, it's readable now. <br /> <br /> Firstly, split up the squad of russes into three russes. Not much point to keeping them together. Secondly, foot guard and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> is no more. I'd highly recommend ditching all of those power wepaons (and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span> commissar with the fist entirely). Keep the powerfist on the SO and the eviscerator priest if you want, but the rest is likely only to get killed before it attacks. Strip away the vox net (especially curious on that one mechvet squad as you can't receive orders while embarked), and, as mentioned, roll those snapfirepalooza <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(89);'>LRBTs</span> over to vanquishers. If you dump EA on the tanks and grenadiers on the vets, and all the other junk and you have 295 points to spend.<br /> <br /> Upgrade those russes to vanqs, make the non-plasma vet squad a squad of 3x melta, give 2 more plasma guns to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span>, and a lascannon to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span>, and one to both PISs, and upgrade the sponson heavy bolters to at least multimeltas and you've got a lot more killing power in your list, and you still have 175 points left to spend.<br /> <br /> That could be another russ. That could also be spent turning your troops choices into just mechvets or just infantry platoons, rather than not enough of either. If you really want that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, then you basically have enough for 3 more eviscerator priests, which will do more in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> than a few power weapons will.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Sep 2013 03:09:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ailaros]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thank you.  I've reworked this list into something more manageable <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span> -  Standard, 1x plasma, autocannon<br /> - chimera <br />  <br /> <br /> Vets - 3x plasma, grenadiers <br /> - chimera <br /> <br /> Vets -  plasma x3 ,plasma pistol<br /> - chimera <br /> <br /> LRV - lascannon, multi meltas <br /> LRV - lascannon, heavy bolters, <br /> LRV - lascannon,  heavy bolters <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span> - platoon standard,  plasma pistol, <br /> PIS - flamer,lascannon<br /> PIS - flamer,lascannon<br /> PIS - grenade launcher,lascannon<br /> PIS - grenade launcher,lascannon<br /> PIS - grenade launcher,lascannon<br /> <br /> Valkyrie - lascannon, heavy bolters hellstrike<br /> Valkyrie - lascannon, heavy bolters hellstrike<br /> <br /> <br /> I hope this is slightly better then my last list. <br /> <br />  ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Commissar Slade]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sure.<br /> <br /> So, firstly, what are the valkyries for? If you just want fire support, a vendetta generally does better. If you want an aerial transport, then ditch the chimeras for the vets.<br /> <br /> Secondly, you're spending a LOT of points on troops. That's bad in 6th edition, where troops don't provide much by means of killing power and <a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/535145.page">aren't even really necessary anymore</a>. If you want to run troops heavy lists, I'd stick to either a foot list or a mech list, and use the spare points for more killing power. Right now, you're taking both, which means that sort of all the support you're getting comes from just a few valkyries and russes.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Ailaros]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What would you suggest to replace the troops with? also I had thought I should put the vets into the valks right after I posted the new  list. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ More russes?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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