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				<description><![CDATA[ Just looking for feedback for now on the general strengths and weakness of this list at tournament meta? <br /> <br /> Chapter Tactics Iron Hand<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> </b><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> with Conversion Beam 110pts <br /> <br /> <b>Elite</b><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(83);'>LOTD</span> * 5 with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> and Combi-Melta 155pts<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(83);'>LOTD</span> * 5 with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> and Combi-Melta 155pts<br /> <br /> <b>Troops </b><br /> Scouts * 5, Camo Cloaks, Sniper Rifle * 4, Missile Launcher * 1. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(440);'>LSS</span> with H Flamer 129pts <br /> Scouts * 5, Camo Cloaks, Sniper Rifle * 4, Missile Launcher * 1. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(440);'>LSS</span> with H Flamer 129pts <br /> Scouts * 5, Combat knives. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(440);'>LSS</span> with H Flamer 100pts <br /> Scouts * 5, Combat knives. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(440);'>LSS</span> with H Flamer 100pts <br /> <br /> <b>Fast Attack </b><br /> Land Speeder <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> + Typhoon launcher * 3 225pts<br /> Land Speeder <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> + Typhoon launcher * 3 225pts<br /> Land Speeder <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> + Typhoon launcher * 3 225pts <br /> <br /> <b>Heavy Support </b><br /> Stalker 75pts <br /> Stalker 75pts <br /> Stalker 75pts <br /> <br /> <b>Fortification </b><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> with comms 70pts <br /> <br /> 1848pts total ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 Sep 2013 12:11:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Draknaul]]></author>
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				<title>Tournament list - Iron Hands 1850pts </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Don't have the new marine dex yet, but one concern I can see already is that everything in your army can be taken out effectively with strength 6 fire.<br /> <br /> This is coming from someone who also plays eldar so I'm use to having buckets of S6 dakka.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 Sep 2013 05:26:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Tournament list - Iron Hands 1850pts </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ One of the ideas me and my friends like is having a stormraven with a tech marine with a harness on board. This way it's healing on a 3+; this along with it will not die means it will almost always heal 1 each turn unless you are just unlucky.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:01:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ erzu07]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I  had a chance at my club to test this vs an Elder player, it was fun but it did get turned into mush very quickly, I like stalkers and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(440);'>lss</span>, the typhoons went down very quickly. <br /> <br /> <br /> I think so far the advantages of playing Iron hands will come with predators land raiders and dreadnoughts. I've got a few more lists in mind, don't forget the 255pt Iron hand chapter master on a bike with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> and the eternal warrior shield a thunder hammer and auspexs.<br /> <br /> Turn one move and orbital bombard, turn two move remove 1 cover on a unit, charge someone else, while dreads and everyone else opens fire on the first unit.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:04:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Draknaul]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I played a very similar, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span> list back in 4th, and will again in 6th<br /> <br /> small bike, detachment w/ air cav support<br /> <br /> Can you give more details on the typhoons vs eldar ?<br /> <br /> with 9 models , cover save, and mobility, how did they gain range on you ?  <br /> <br /> How helpful was the will not die on vehicles, I figured with squadron rules, even with 3 hits, you are distributing them so you'll have chance to recover them.  <br /> <br /> Just curious of how things went down.  <br /> <br /> I am looking at 9 typhoons and 2 raven right now]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:17:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ptrout]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/550777/6043605.page"><b>ptrout wrote:</b></a><br/>I played a very similar, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>WS</span> list back in 4th, and will again in 6th<br /> <br /> small bike, detachment w/ air cav support<br /> <br /> Can you give more details on the typhoons vs eldar ?<br /> <br /> with 9 models , cover save, and mobility, how did they gain range on you ?  <br /> <br /> How helpful was the will not die on vehicles, I figured with squadron rules, even with 3 hits, you are distributing them so you'll have chance to recover them.  <br /> <br /> Just curious of how things went down.  <br /> <br /> I am looking at 9 typhoons and 2 raven right now</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The main problem was getting line of sight on his units, he had two wave serpents and they got good dice roles on the serpent shield weapon, because it ignores cover it tears up squadrons of land speeders, he also had a wraithknight that was shooting out land speeder storms and then assaulting the scouts. Unfortunately a mobile army that ignores cover eats up this list, the unit that was amazing in the game was the stalkers, they did get hull points back from the it will not die. Unfortunately I kept forgetting about the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span> so missed a few chances to use that.<br /> <br /> Oh and moment of the game for me goes to turn one first blood for the storms, a group of scouted rangers in cover, first blinded, then removed by heavy flamer.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:40:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Draknaul]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Tournament list - Iron Hands 1850pts </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I love the elites and troops picks in your list<br /> <br /> But I think the speeders are pretty poor, even with 3 in a squad they die quickly, and 3 stalkers would be overkill in many games, and a complete waste of points in  a few.<br /> <br /> I think a land raider, storm raven, and a vindicator or thunderfire cannon would be the way to go with iron hands.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:49:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ First0f0ne]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I really recommend getting that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MotF</span> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(596);'>CB</span> on a Bike.  I run that in my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> allies and it's HILARIOUS how effective that dude is when just chumming it up on the back board edge throwing those S10 AP1 blasts.<br /> <br /> Also, Thunderfire Cannons.  And More  Tech Marines. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:19:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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