Wildcat Carl wrote:
Is that 4 Honor guard? also what's the last Land Raider for? Centurions?

I'd use them points for either more Centurions or 4 Multi Melta Attack Bikes with 30 points to go somewhere?

 cranney268 wrote:
Not too bad buddy but...

You have four Heavy support choices in this list maybe swap out the devs for a Iron clad dread in a pod, this would let you get three pods down on turn one and trust me nothing messes up your opponents plans like a dread in his deployment zone on Turn one.

Also in both list's you have no Vulkan....He is awesome for his points and by far better than a chapter master.

Hope that helps

Saythings wrote:If you are going double FoC, you need 4 troops minimum.

Edit:
Also, the multiple re-listings gets extremely confusing. Add a new post and state that you updated the original post with your current updated list. Obviously, this is less list advice and more general forum etiquette.

As for the list:

I'm a huge believer in Heldrakes ruining Salamanders. Sallies don't get to sit inside of transports and protect themselves from those AP3 torrent weapons. In your original list, you had a few landraiders and I liked that. However, after you took them out, the list went back to the vulnerability of Heldrakes. Not only that, but you threw the regular Dev squads back in the list. Regular Devs are the primerib of the Heldrake. Free 4 heavy weapons with no saves at all. The Thunderfire cannons will have two wounds and the Tech will get a 2+ Sv. Not 100% about this rule, but quite possibly might even get a 2+ rererollable because of the heldrake's flame-based weapon and Sallies-CT.

If you wanted 2 Dev squads, try them both as Centurians. This leaves the heldrakes only shooting at the drop podded squads. They are going to hurt but at least if you pod them close enough to the enemy, he might only get 1 turn of using his torrent weapon before flying off the board/hovering.

Another option is Rhinos, but since they can vector strike and torrent the same target, I find Rhinos even vulnerable to Heldrakes. Once again, this is why I view Heldrakes as a counter to Sallies in general. YMMV, but I'd try to include more 2+-armored firepower, or maybe even pods+stalkers/hunters. I think as a Sallies army, you're going to need defensive AA and the 12/12/10 AA vehicles we get might just be the answer we needed.

It's extremely early and I haven't play tested nearly enough, but at least you can use the Stalker/Hunters to shoot at Tau/Eldar vehicles as well. Personally, those two armies (Tau/Eldar) are huge in my meta, as well as, any chaos player running 2+ drakes.

Saythings wrote:
If you are going double FoC, you need 4 troops minimum.

Edit:
Also, the multiple re-listings gets extremely confusing. Add a new post and state that you updated the original post with your current updated list. Obviously, this is less list advice and more general forum etiquette.

As for the list:

I'm a huge believer in Heldrakes ruining Salamanders. Sallies don't get to sit inside of transports and protect themselves from those AP3 torrent weapons. In your original list, you had a few landraiders and I liked that. However, after you took them out, the list went back to the vulnerability of Heldrakes. Not only that, but you threw the regular Dev squads back in the list. Regular Devs are the primerib of the Heldrake. Free 4 heavy weapons with no saves at all. The Thunderfire cannons will have two wounds and the Tech will get a 2+ Sv. Not 100% about this rule, but quite possibly might even get a 2+ rererollable because of the heldrake's flame-based weapon and Sallies-CT.

If you wanted 2 Dev squads, try them both as Centurians. This leaves the heldrakes only shooting at the drop podded squads. They are going to hurt but at least if you pod them close enough to the enemy, he might only get 1 turn of using his torrent weapon before flying off the board/hovering.

Another option is Rhinos, but since they can vector strike and torrent the same target, I find Rhinos even vulnerable to Heldrakes. Once again, this is why I view Heldrakes as a counter to Sallies in general. YMMV, but I'd try to include more 2+-armored firepower, or maybe even pods+stalkers/hunters. I think as a Sallies army, you're going to need defensive AA and the 12/12/10 AA vehicles we get might just be the answer we needed.

It's extremely early and I haven't play tested nearly enough, but at least you can use the Stalker/Hunters to shoot at Tau/Eldar vehicles as well. Personally, those two armies (Tau/Eldar) are huge in my meta, as well as, any chaos player running 2+ drakes.

Eihnlazer wrote:
you only get to reroll armor saves i believe........but dont have the book on me at this second.