<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who IG and want their industrial hive world to be a producer of the power cells of las weapons.

Is there anything out there for how they are made and if they are allowed to be made outside of mars?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6041122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6041122.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who

If it's of any help, this comes from the Necromunda skirmish game, whose rulebook can be downloaded for free on the Games Workshop website here:

"Laser weapons are manufactured in vast quantities in the hive city and are exported to the armed forces of the Imperium throughout the galaxy. Lasguns are traded in Underhive settlements, and the Guilders bring shipments from the factories above. Power packs come from the same source and some are made locally. Supplies of parts are plentiful and repairs easily effected. Laser technology is reliable and easy to replicate, and although the weapons are not the most powerful they are certainly the most trustworthy. A laser power pack will last for many shots and can be recharged from a standard power source or by exposing its thermal cells to heat or light. In an emergency a pack can be recharged by placing it in a fire, although such treatment tends to shorten the life of the pack and increase the probability of it failing. Many experienced fighters prefer the lasgun over more powerful weapons for these very reasons."
- Necromunda p.39

Give the PDF a look, it contains quite a bit of fluff and may provide some cool inspiration for your own hive!
Further documents dealing with law enforcement, scavvie gangs or religious militias are available here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6041139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6041139.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6041221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6041221.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
The same materials would be used in both processes.


Now its probably not the same exact facilities. You'd probably have massive complexes containing multiple factories, each manufacturing a specific item.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6043009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6043009.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
They are also, iirc, not rechargeable. You get 5 (or 10, varies by source) shots from the lascannon, and then the cell's dry and you gotta slap in/hook up a new one. Throw the other one out. Lascannons are best powered by a generator or a vehicle's power-plant, which can provide effectively limitless shots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6043387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6043387.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Psienesis wrote:You get 5 (or 10, varies by source) shots from the lascannon, and then the cell's dry and you gotta slap in/hook up a new one
Or even just 1 shot, going by the explanation in the 3E rulebook:

"Power packs feed the discharge generator. Rechargeable power packs or batteries, usually with a highly efficient liquid metal core, vary between small internal packs used in lasguns and pistols to massive power packs the size of crates that power lascannons and multilasers. Powerpack capacity varies immensely but most are good for about 40 shots. In contrast, to maintain maximum power output efficiency, lascannon powerpacks need replacing after every shot. Overpowered laser packs, like the so-called "Hotshot", provide weapons with a more potent charge but give fewer shots. They cannot easily be recharged after use and the extra stress on the barrel requires much more maintenance."

I'd assume this is for the "field gun"-type lascannons of the Imperial Guard, though, rather than the version carried into battle by single Space Marines. As both weapons still have identical profiles in the TT, it may well be a matter of battery quality or manufacturing budgets, basically giving the Space Marines an advanced battery that is larger (backpack) but also capable of storing more than one shot, whilst the Guard gets the smaller and lighter "plug in, shoot, plug out" packs that are easier to maintain (no battery degradation?), cheaper to produce, and lighter to carry.
Pure speculation in attempting to avoid a weird contradiction, tho. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044212.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Maybe one forge world has a more efficient battery design which can store more than one shot while another doesn't have that design.


Space Marine packs may also directly tie into the PA's power pack, which likely can give way more shots than its size would indicate.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044243.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044837.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who IG Lascannons in DOW that seemed to be fully-automatic, and just tearing up entire armored companies.

I was like "wtf?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6044884.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who AA batteries.

I'd also note that there HAVE been several patterns of lasguns sculpted over time, and not all of them use the same laspack that you find on more recent models.

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 Ailaros wrote:
Everything involved with lasguns is so stupidly rugged and bodgeable, I'd assume that you'd be able to shoot at least a few shots from a lasgun with nothing more than a bit of enterprising spirit and a packet of AA batteries.

I'd also note that there HAVE been several patterns of lasguns sculpted over time, and not all of them use the same laspack that you find on more recent models.



One of the Ghosts series of books has them trying to scavenge lasgun power packsof the right pattern to fit their guns because their combat issue from the Munitorum was for the wrong type.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6045651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6045651.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Flinty wrote:
 Ailaros wrote:
Everything involved with lasguns is so stupidly rugged and bodgeable, I'd assume that you'd be able to shoot at least a few shots from a lasgun with nothing more than a bit of enterprising spirit and a packet of AA batteries.

I'd also note that there HAVE been several patterns of lasguns sculpted over time, and not all of them use the same laspack that you find on more recent models.



One of the Ghosts series of books has them trying to scavenge lasgun power packsof the right pattern to fit their guns because their combat issue from the Munitorum was for the wrong type.


Not only that but it's also mentioned in another GG book that there are different kinds of power packs such as sickle-patterns and drum-mags. This leads us to believe that not only are there different shapes and sizes of power-packs but varying patterns,( as mentioned in a previous post.) So understandably there would be many worlds that could in fact produce said power-packs for their own personal las weaponry. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6045709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6045709.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who Tbh, I'm somewhat sceptical about those ideas. One of the chief advantages of the lasgun is that you supposedly forego the need to ship in specialised supplies and ammunition as would be the case with projectile weapons. Having hundreds or thousand of different connectors between battery and weapon would create that awkward situation that you really would depend on very specific worlds supplying very specific regiments. A logistical nightmare whose serious effects have been featured in the very novel that came up with this idea. Besides, when the Rhino looks the same on every world, why should power packs - surely an STC-product as well - be so very different?

I'm totally fine with different shapes, that fits to the slightly different lasgun designs. But I would still expect the connectors to be identical and operating on the same energy levels. Even if a world's manufactorums already punched out lasguns before it was integrated into the Imperium, I'd expect refits to be possible with a minimum of trouble, and the advantages of compatibility as they are also said to exist between the IG vehicle range are obvious.

Just my 2 shells on the subject, mind you. I'm generally biased against random freelancer novels introducing such significant concepts to the setting, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6046074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6046074.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
As to different flavours of power pack: you'd think the Imperium would standardise them. But that might not account for "out-of-date" marks of lasgun still being used, or ceremonial lasguns and the like. Whatever lets the authors keep the fluff interesting, I guess.
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If we take that as a comment on the setting in general, that is the common lasgun is a Mk36, regardless of the Forge of its manufacture (which is, I think, asking an awful lot of the setting and the Imperium's decentralized nature), there's still going to be a lot of Regiments packing the Mk. 25-35 etc. which might have issues swapping between cell-types.

And even if the weapons can connect to the same powercell, that doesn't mean that the furniture of the weapon permits a cell from one weapon to easily plug into another. Maybe the Mk36 uses a straight, boxy clip while the Mk30 used a short, stubby cylindrical power cell. The connectors on the end are the same, but the magazine wells damned sure aren't!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050353.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Just like everything else involved with the Imperium, there's just too many people, too much distance, and too much bureaucracy involved to standardize anything across more than a single sector at most. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050499.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
So the DM sits there and looks at its roster of troops. It knows that, of the 500 regiments it has going to the war-zone, these 300 all use these patterns of lasgun, which uses a Type A cell, so the clerk checks that box on the supply form. And then it sees that these 100 regiments here use Type B cells, so he checks that box. And then it has these 50 regiments here, who use Type C cells, so the clerk checks *that* box. Then, looking at the paperwork, he's got 50 Regiments left over that he has no fething clue what they're carrying! He can see that they're a mix of heavy infantry, assault troops, something that is called a Dismounted Cavalry Regiment (whatever the feth *that* is!), Regiment listed as an Armor unit but listing no vehicles of any kind on its roster, and a bunch of other units that are just marked "infantry". So, given that the majority of the regiments listed are using Type A cells, he takes a gamble and checks that box for these guys, too, because, hey, chances are good that they use Type A guns.

However, these 50 units use a mix of Type D and E cells. Some of them use solid-projectile weapons, and one's a feral regiment that doesn't use any kind of gun at all!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050551.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Badablack wrote:We can't even maintain standardized electric wall sockets on Earth, and this is just one planet. How much harder would that sort of thing be across light years?
Not very, if every colony started out using compatible schematics either way. Knowledge of technology comes from STCs, and when they make the Rhino look the same on planet A as they look on planet B, I see no reason why a much more basic item such as, say, a power pack, would have to come with different connector specs. That would be very random indeed.

And the comparison to our real life Earth is flawed; if it would be run by a unified government issueing global decrees (such as the Munitorum arranging for the Imperial Guard to only use Chimaeras as APCs), then I think standardisation would spread.
Especially where military matters are involved -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_Agreement]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050848.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6050879.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Lynata wrote:
It would be fairly difficult even for the vast forges of Mars to supply the entirety of the Imperial Guard on its own.


The AdMech have numerous forge worlds all able to create highly sophisticated weapons, vehicles and ships. Not all of it comes from Mars.

That said simple weapons like lasguns and their power packs can probably be produced by just about anyone just about anywhere.

I think plasma weapons might be complex enough that they have to come from a forge world, given their fluff. Power armor also needs to be AdMech made. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063052.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Exergy wrote:The AdMech have numerous forge worlds all able to create highly sophisticated weapons, vehicles and ships. Not all of it comes from Mars.
That ... is what I was saying. It was a reply to a question whether or not stuff would be made elsewhere aside from Mars, after all.

Exergy wrote:I think plasma weapons might be complex enough that they have to come from a forge world, given their fluff. Power armor also needs to be AdMech made.
Hmm - are both of these items not also produced by at least one other Imperial faction, the Space Marines?
Granted, their Techmarines have studied from the Adeptus Mechanicus, but they are not the only ones who underwent tech training. The way it seems to me, the AdMech manages propagation of technology just as carefully as they produce it themselves. Perhaps they give out licenses to local non-AM manufactoriums like some modern companies do, as long as the licensee adheres to certain demands and pays a sort of fee?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063179.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who STC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063193.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Lynata wrote:
Exergy wrote:The AdMech have numerous forge worlds all able to create highly sophisticated weapons, vehicles and ships. Not all of it comes from Mars.
That ... is what I was saying. It was a reply to a question whether or not stuff would be made elsewhere aside from Mars, after all.

Exergy wrote:I think plasma weapons might be complex enough that they have to come from a forge world, given their fluff. Power armor also needs to be AdMech made.
Hmm - are both of these items not also produced by at least one other Imperial faction, the Space Marines?
Granted, their Techmarines have studied from the Adeptus Mechanicus, but they are not the only ones who underwent tech training. The way it seems to me, the AdMech manages propagation of technology just as carefully as they produce it themselves. Perhaps they give out licenses to local non-AM manufactoriums like some modern companies do, as long as the licensee adheres to certain demands and pays a sort of fee?


It is implied that the many different "named" types of weapon (like the "Iron Talon" Naval side-arm) is, in fact, produced by a privately-owned Forge that operates under license from the AdMech and that those names ("Iron Talon", "Angelus", "Death Light", etc.) are what the individual Forge brands them as. The write-up for the planet of Malfi, in the Calixis Sector, goes into greater detail on how this works.

And... iPhone? Apple specifically builds things to non-standardized specs because it makes them "different". Or haven't you noticed that the Lightning Connector requires an adapter to connect to anything other than another Apple product with a matching Lightning Connector port?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063230.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Lynata wrote:

Exergy wrote:I think plasma weapons might be complex enough that they have to come from a forge world, given their fluff. Power armor also needs to be AdMech made.
Hmm - are both of these items not also produced by at least one other Imperial faction, the Space Marines?
Granted, their Techmarines have studied from the Adeptus Mechanicus, but they are not the only ones who underwent tech training. The way it seems to me, the AdMech manages propagation of technology just as carefully as they produce it themselves. Perhaps they give out licenses to local non-AM manufactoriums like some modern companies do, as long as the licensee adheres to certain demands and pays a sort of fee?


My understanding is that techmarines can repair and maintain these types of weapons but that they need to be manufactured on a forge world. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6063310.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065381.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Edit: Aha! Right, the packs do look pretty similar. I want to say that Voss, Lucius and Galaxy look thinner, but it could just be a scale thing. The Ryza looks like a Shuriken weapon to me...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065398.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065448.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Super Ready wrote:
Is the Ryza *definitely* a full lasgun? If not for the extended barrel, I'd say it looks like a laspistol instead. The lack of any stock makes it look ridiculous to try and fire with one OR two hands, though.


It seems to be the original Rogue Trader flavour of lasgun, based on a quick search. It does look like Rick Grimes' giant revolver converted to laspistol form though, now that you mention it. Pendix has a point about the lack of power pack though... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065500.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065610.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
Zed wrote:It seems to be the original Rogue Trader flavour of lasgun, based on a quick search.
Yup, that's a RT gun - I also remember it was still featured in the 2E Wargear book, shortly before (in the 2E Guard Codex and the 3E Rulebook) they adopted the "M-Galaxy" pattern as the standard lasgun, which on that picture is labeled "Triplex".
A problem with that picture is probably that it's a wild mixture of lasgun designs - some still in use in Codex fluff, some that GW has discarded and replaced by newer art, and some that are not core GW designs at all, and the names are all over the place. Let's just say I'd be careful with that.

Zed wrote:Pendix has a point about the lack of power pack though...
The M-Galaxy, or "Triplex" on that picture, also does not feature a visible pack, but I like to think that it might simply be "hidden" inside the gun by being slotted deeper.
The out-of-universe reason would likely be that the chargepack design as we know and see it everywhere nowadays just didn't exist before the Cadian-style rifle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065716.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Lynata wrote:

The out-of-universe reason would likely be that the chargepack design as we know and see it everywhere nowadays just didn't exist before the Cadian-style rifle.


Goin' further than Psienesis said - in RW i have perfecty good Sanyo AA-standart accumulators which just won't fit in my xbox gamepad. So tolerances ARE of importance.
Can you imagine what it'll be like after 10000+ years after standart creation to check million manufacturers that (+-0.1 mm) tolerances on their products are adding up right way with toleranes in products of other origins? Not to mention that original socket rim material was , say, soft rubber-like plastic (for seal), and now it's steel or ceramics. And this is before differences in tools and available materials took their toll on size and form of cell itself.
I mean - probably most of these cells will fit original Mars-kept design, but...those are literally waterdrop in the ocean.
And things like "Won't fit? File it!" are heresy even if you understand it correctly ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6065961.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who Standard Design Template constructs (which are even older than Mars), you'd probably be right.
I still don't see why this should be the case, though - why batteries need to be different everywhere, when Rhinos or Chimaeras are not. Shouldn't it be more likely that things get different the larger you go in terms of size and parts count, rather than the other way around?

Or are you argueing that these differences may have crept into the system after the local adoption of STC templates? I suppose that sounds more likely, though the Munitorum might well issue a decree for sticking to original specs, just like they banned local vehicle variants from use in the Guard due to incompatibility of spare parts.

Ah well. Theories! \o/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066114.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066129.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
I believe that line in the furniture, forward of the trigger on the Triplex, is its magazine well, and it slots one of the wider, boxy cells there, but I'd have to find some of the other pictures of the Triplex-pattern to be sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066490.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066490.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who GW is concerned. The only places I've seen that weapon mentioned were the Inquisitor RPG and the 5E Guard Codex, both times without images.

Generally, I'd caution against argueing over fanmade pictures.

Spoiler:

- GW plastic Catachans lasgun


- GW plastic Cadians lasgun

As you can see, perfectly identical chargepacks - at least as far as the minis are concerned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6066578.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
I just struggle to see how they'd manage to standardise ammo across an entire galaxy with older marks of lasgun or lasguns that are outright unique to a world.

The other thing to consider the bolter- while many of the old ones CSM have are belt-fed, all of the SM ones are clip-fed. This shows that the Imperium has changed its weapons in the past- although bolters are a SM thing, and possibly warrant different treatment to lasguns. Three cheers for wild speculation...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6071051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6071051.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6071067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6071067.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who CSM Warbands don't have a firm base, or at least none with much in terms of production capabilities, causing them to raid Imperial supply depots for ammunition and other necessities. I could see them using bastardised or jury-rigged gear, attempting to combine contemporary Imperial supplies with whatever the Legion had when it went rogue.

True, there's the Dark Mechanicus with whom they could barter, but I would think that most Warbands would prefer to refrain from deals with them as much as possible so as to not become dependent on them, or being forced to pay whatever that other Chaos faction feels like demanding that day...

Zed wrote:I just struggle to see how they'd manage to standardise ammo across an entire galaxy with older marks of lasgun or lasguns that are outright unique to a world.
Well, if chargepacks are an STC design they ought to look the same on any world that produces them, even before it would be integrated into the Imperium. STC factories are a Pre-Imperial thing, after all, used to supply human colonies in the entire galaxy with useful stuff like the RH1-N0 tracked exploration vehicle, aka Rhino APC.

But that really hinges on my theory that chargepacks ARE part of an STC template...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6071362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6071362.page GMT Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Lynata wrote:

STC factories are a Pre-Imperial thing, after all, used to supply human colonies in the entire galaxy with useful stuff like the RH1-N0 tracked exploration vehicle, aka Rhino APC.

But that really hinges on my theory that chargepacks ARE part of an STC template...


AFAIR even in Crusade era STC _factories_ were myth . Most of current simple STC items are done by STC schematics, often incomplete, interpolated for missing things, with lot of errors accumulated over millennia of copying, on only basically similar equipment.

So yes, basic schematics are same, but in RW check any cheap "compatible" product like cellphone batteries - and you see that while "compatible" battery will fit original phone and brand named battery will fit third-party device (say eBook), there's no guarantee that "compatible" battery will fit said eBook. And unlike RW, in M40 you are really too afraid and ignorant to use your file or modeling knife.

Another RW example - year 1942, Battle for Moscow. Suddenly it was found that tank turrets on T-34s had so different electrical equipment that repair crews in the field couldn't put turret of one manufacturer on the hull of another.

BTW, T-34-76s can be taken as approximation of how STC vehicles can differ - 2+1 equal but different guns,at least 3 technologies of hull production, more than 4 technologies of turret production, 3 different engines - not to mention lesser things like 'scopes, hatches, tracks, ventilators etc - whatever was available was put to use, and it took special efforts to make compatible by parts again - and this tank was produced only at 8 sites.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6072930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/551681/6072930.page GMT Re:Power cells for las weapons: how made and by who
 Zed wrote:

The other thing to consider the bolter- while many of the old ones CSM have are belt-fed, all of the SM ones are clip-fed.


Except for this one

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 Lynata wrote:
I think I recall reading that most CSM Warbands don't have a firm base, or at least none with much in terms of production capabilities, causing them to raid Imperial supply depots for ammunition and other necessities. I could see them using bastardised or jury-rigged gear, attempting to combine contemporary Imperial supplies with whatever the Legion had when it went rogue.

True, there's the Dark Mechanicus with whom they could barter, but I would think that most Warbands would prefer to refrain from deals with them as much as possible so as to not become dependent on them, or being forced to pay whatever that other Chaos faction feels like demanding that day...


They raid for supplies because even though they have the Dark Mechanicus, they only inhabit a small portion of space and thus only have a small amount of raw resources. They raid, bring back martierals to the Dark Mech who then fashions it into more exotic weaponry.

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