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				<description><![CDATA[ So Im going for a competitive <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span> list that is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> focused using <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span> as my delivery system. Most armies can deal with a Landraider but in the current meta most will struggle against 2 (Centurions might make this redundant <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0">). I think my bad match ups are Trip Dreadknights and perhaps Khorne Dogs or other horde assault lists (which are basically dead in 6th). Here goes:<br /> <br /> Chapter Master: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>, Shield Eternal 230<br /> Chapter Master: Burning Blade, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> 220<br /> <br /> 6 Honourguard: 3 Power Mauls, 2 Power Axes, Power Sword (on champ) 160<br /> 5 Honour guard: 3 Power Mauls, 2 Power Axes, Chapter Banner 160<br /> <br /> Crusader Squad: 5 neophytes, Sword Brethren w Power Maul, Power axe, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> Crusader w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> 420<br /> <br /> 5 Scouts: Shotguns 55<br /> <br /> Landraider Redeemer: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> 250<br /> Landraider Redeemer: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> 250<br /> <br /> So 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span> charging at the heart of the enemy. 2 power house combat characters and 2 decent Honourguard squads each pumping out 24+ attacks on the charge plus whatever the Characters do. Burning blade <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span> goes with banner squad so that's 6 AP2 S7 attacks on the charge. Mauls on most of the squad characters due to rending in a challenge. Might be better with swords due to rerolls to wound?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:30:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ FlingitNow]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I just tried a list similar to this at 2k and got pooped on today.  I admit, it might have been the largest rock to my scissors I've ever got smashed with, but it was brutal.  <br /> <br /> He was running Eldar/DEldar and had a lot of lances, but hey, that's the meta, Eldar and Tau.  That's all you see currently (pre-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> release).  <br /> <br /> Anyway, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span> can't get Dozer blades on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> anymore and that just kills it for me.  Relying on a single die for 400+ pts worth of model to get into combat is too risky.  I don't think I will be using <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> for a long, long time.  But that's just me.  I'm considering going back to Rhino Rush with 1-3 pods to support.  But that's just me.<br /> <br /> As for your personal list, not enough scoring potiential and you only have 3 "<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span>-oriented" squads.  None of which can hold their own against other armies truly <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span>-oriented troops.  Yes, the honor guard have 2+ and power weapons, they will hurt, but their numbers will dwindle and when you look at the list, you literally have 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span> and 3 units.  At 1850, you simply don't have enough turns to kill all the enemy's models/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(308);'>MSU</span>.  He can simply spread out on objectives and win the war of attrition.  <br />  <br /> <br /> Taking that many points on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s hurts the list more, you could honestly, take out one and take another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> if you wanted to.  Those 4-5 attacks on the charge isn't going to make or break-up your combats.  The number of threats you have and the damage they can cause is way to low.  Even after you disembark, you only have 6 threats.  3 infantry squads + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> in each, and 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span>.  That's it.  At this point, no tactics in the world can help you, it's purely <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(649);'>RPS</span> at that point.  <br /> <br /> This list with make some lists sweat and make other lists laugh.  My money is on the second if you're taking this somewhere competitive.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(274);'>YMMV</span>.<br /> <br /> Personally, I'm having a really hard time finding benefits to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span> lists.  I have over 2500 pts of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>, and I'm strongly considering selling them.  Currently, I'm using "count-as" Iron Hands at 1350 and Sallies at 2k. <br /> <br /> Sucks though,  I just got done buying custom "Iron Cross" dice too <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Let me know if you test this list out! Would love to hear positive results.  I got poopied on.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:47:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Saythings]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Too few bodies, especially scoring bodies. You're basically going to have to try to table your opponent every game to have any hopes of winning, and I don't think what you're bringing has a chance of tabling... well, anyone.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:10:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Nate668]]></author>
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