Blacksails wrote:
At first glance, it all looks fairly reasonable and in general line with how I wish all the marine codices would be represented in a single book.

The problem with the Carcharodons is that it basically invalidates Tyberos, seeing as the chapter tactics are nearly identical to what Tyberos does to an army anyways. I mean, its exactly how they should be, I'd just hope you have something in the back of your head to give Tyberos a little extra flair other than his ballin claws and making one lightning claw termie unit a troop choice.

 Formosa wrote:
Why do blood ravens have infiltrate?

 Dantioch wrote:
Or, since they have lots of terminators, normal terminator squads can be taken as Heavy support rather than Elites. Assault terminators would still be elites.

BoomWolf wrote:While it looks mostly ok, the Blood Ravens is horribly overpowered.

Army-wide infiltrate is easy gate to abuse, and divination-able librarian spam unlock is also incredibly powerful.

Now, if you could infiltrate one unit per librarian (may the libby himself and an attached unit?), then it would be more sane, and will also promote their "mass librarians" nature, as just a single one won't be enough.


Yes, I know its "limited to non-bulky units", but once you got infiltration, and considering it transfferes into transports, do you really need more then tactical, sternguard and devastators? the easy positioning of them all will allow you an assured turn 1 superpreassure setup, and with rhino support, to get into double-tap ranges with them all.


On a funny note, Raven Guard brake rule 6 XD

Deadshot wrote:Well for BR, they regularly promote psykers to positions outside the Librarium, like Captain and Sergeant and even CM.

Why not allow BR tactics to upgrade a character to a psyker Lvl 1 for a certain number of points and gain a force weapon. Powers would be randomised. And no swapping to the Primaris power.

D6 roll of
1- No Power, just the force weapon.
2- Biomancy
3- Divination
4- Pyromancy
5- Telepathy
6- Telekinesis

This would be really fluffy but cost some pointage and risk you not having any useful power. Maybe +25 for Sergeants, 30 for Veteran Sergeants and Terminator Sergeants and 35pts for Captains.

Deadshot wrote:Any Sergeant, Veteran or Terminator Sergeant and Captain in an army using the Blood Ravens traits may be upgraded to a psyker (ML 1) for an additional 25, 30 or 35pts respectively, replacing a weapon with a force weapon. The psyker may not swap to the Primaris power when rolling for psychic powers. This trait also unlocks Chracters with the Blood Raven's Chapter Trait (like Gabriel Angelos, in case someone wants to have a go).

 Marik Law wrote:
Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well: Any Veteran Sergeant from a Tactical Squad in this detachment may be upgraded to a Lexicanium for 25 points, replacing his boltgun or bolt pistol with a force weapon and gaining the Psyker (Mastery Level 1) special rule. Lexicaniums generate their powers from the Biomancy, Pyromancy, Telekinesis and Telepathy psychic disciplines but may only ever use the discipline's Primaris Power.

xole wrote:I want a chapter tactic that allows all of an army's drop pods to drop on the first turn.

And I want every army to have grey knight servo skulls.

Th0rh4mm3r wrote:Blood Angels. Red Thirst is a terrible trait in the current codex because of how it is implemented. A 1 in 6 chance to buff one small portion of your army. You almost never get it on the squads you want, and since you can get furious charge anyways through a Sanguinary Priest its effects have minimal impact.

I propose that instead, Blood Angels receive the Assault Doctrine (once per battle) Chapter Tactic that Ultramarines have AND increase Hammer of Wrath attacks from models with jump packs by 1.

The Assault Doctrine will do a good job of representing that turning point in the battle when the Blood Angels just want to rip their foe apart, and the improved Hammer of Wrath will boost their Jump Pack infantry's effectiveness.

Mezmerro wrote:BLOOD RAVENS
I think their librarians should have asccess to Divination powers. Vidaia definitely was a diviner. Other idea is to replace infiltrate with something based on interceptor rule, like 1/2 of squads have interceptor against anything but orks (because their actions cannot be predicted)

Added: Upgrading the sarge to psyker gives you not only psi powers, but also 5+ DTW, plus power weapon that could ID (i think this aline worth 20 pts). 25 points is just too cheap - lokk at Thousand Sons aspiring sorcerers, they're like 60+ points apiece, despite having the crappiest powers in the game.

MINOTAURS
Their preferred enemy should spread to Grey Knights and Siege list. Maybe excluding henchmen, inquisitors and assassins from GK codex.

RED SCORPIONS
I cannot see why they have FC and Hatred against anything - Red Scorpion aren't psychopathic berzerkers.

 Marik Law wrote:
Minotaurs:
I haven't read anything which says that Minotaurs have ever been dispatched to deal with rogue Grey Knight detachments, just their regular Astartes counterparts in other chapters. If anything it seems to heavily hint that the Minotaurs are the lapdogs of the Inquisition, meaning if anything they'd never fight against them and, thus, would not have any experience fighting any of the Inquisitorial forces.

 Marik Law wrote:
Red Scorpions:
I gave them Furious Charge and Hatred because they view virtually everything outside of their chapter, particularly their enemies, as impure, unclean filth that needs to be eradicated without prejudice or mercy and with extreme hostility. The lore makes it pretty clear just how overzealous they are towards their own purity and towards the impurity of others. If you can offer a better alternative I'm all ears.

Th0rh4mm3r wrote:
I understand what you are saying about the Red Thirst. All Blood Angels feel it's call. I am thinking more along the lines of knowing when it's the right time to give in and stop resisting any more.