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				<description><![CDATA[ Thinking of this list as a 1500 point regular list. What would you do with it?<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> </b>Librarian, (force axe) Terminator Armour, Storm Shield, Level 2<br /> <br /> <b>Troops</b><br /> 10 Tacticals, Melta, Multimelta, Sergeant Combi Melta; Drop Pod<br /> 10 Tacticals, Plasma, Multimelta, Sergeant Combi Plasma; Drop Pod<br /> 5 Close Combat Scouts; Land Speeder Storm, Heavy Flamer<br /> 5 Close Combat Scouts; Land Speeder Storm, Heavy Flamer<br /> 5 Scouts, 4 Sniper, 1 Missile Launcher, Camo Cloaks<br /> <br /> <b>Elites</b><br /> 5 Terminators, all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 1 Ironclad Dreadnought, 2 Heavy Flamers; Drop Pod, Homing Bacon<br /> <br /> <b>Heavy Support</b><br /> 6 Devastators, 2 Las, 2 Missile<br /> <b><br /> Other</b><br /> Aegis Defence Line, Quadgun<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry but it looks all over the place. There doesn't seem to be a central idea behind the list at all. So from the top:<br /> <br /> Libby is a good <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> but walking across the field with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> terminators is a bad idea (deepstriking is even worse as they don't have a gun between them).<br /> <br /> Tactical squads are equipped well but having just 3 drop pods is a bad idea. Particularly with Tau around. You drop in 2 pods unsupported and they die.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> scouts in storms are pretty good but you need the upgrades on the Sergeant so they can beat stuff. With a Vet and fist and combiflamer you can pick on soft targets and should even beat 20 Orks in combat.<br /> <br /> They are a decent way to support drop pods but if you don't go first they are a liability in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> list and in general <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> lists should be built to go 2nd.<br /> <br /> Devastators are OK but don't fit with the agrressiveness of the rest of the list. Also why the mix of weapons? Going 4 the same is generally the best option. Lascannons are actually reasonably pointed as a unit wide option.<br /> <br /> You have next to no <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> with 1 scout manned quad gun as your only <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> will hurt against Helldrakes or indeed any flyers as you have a static base.<br /> <br /> Do you want an aggressive <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> list or a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> list or a gun line. You have elements of each. Space marines are natural generalists and this is their biggest weakness. Compounding that with a list with lots of disparate elements is not a good idea. Marines can't afford such a list they need to be stream lined to be effective.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:21:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, looks like it's back to the drawing board, but how would you build one?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:31:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Daba]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Start with what you want the list to do as a whole. Then pick units that support that aim and equipe them to support that role. Take only units that support the whole and only wargear that supports their role.<br /> <br /> So to start off what type of list do you want. Marines can do almost any type of list. Here's a few examples:<br /> <br /> Ranged Gunline<br /> Midfield gunline<br /> Drop pod assault<br /> Mech spam<br /> Air Cav<br /> Landraider spam<br /> Assault focused<br /> Bike army]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:17:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ FlingitNow]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Does Drop Pod assault need 5+ pods to run generally, or can pods be used in a support capacity for another list type (e.g. assault focussed)?<br /> <br /> How would you go about 'midrange gunline'?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:24:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Daba]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Drop pod lists generally want 7+ drop pods. They can run in support of other lists like assault but you need to go first for that list type to really shine which is just too problematic in a competitive environment.<br /> <br /> As for midfield gunline. You want lots of fire power in the 24" range bracket. So you need Centurion Devastators, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads in rhinos, sternguard and probably some sort of counter assault punch. Preferably in a 3++ character to lead the Centurions.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:50:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ FlingitNow]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/65afb78ba94982239ee431d965e2013a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552816/6058782.page"><b>FlingitNow wrote:</b></a><br/>Drop pod lists generally want 7+ drop pods.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I struggle to imagine what a 1500 point <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> list with 7+ drop pods would actually look like...what are you fitting in these?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:45:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Reeniee]]></author>
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