http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net However, for the first time in a long time, I feel like I'm having issues cutting off my final points.

Here is the list (I'm using double FOC)

Bikerboss PK BP CB

Megaboss BP CB

10 Lootas

10 Lootas

10 Lootas

10 Lootas


6 Nob Bikers
2 PK, BP, all CB, Painboy

4 Meganobs
Battlewagon, RPJ

20 shoota boys

20 shoota boys

20 shoota boys

3 kannons, 3 ammo runts, 6 extra gretchin, runtherd

3 kannons, 3 ammo runts, 6 extra gretchin, runtherd

3 kannons, 3 ammo runts, 6 extra gretchin, runtherd

Aegis defense line, quad gun

The total comes to 2281, which I know would be evened with the kannons taken out, but they just seem so efficient.
Experienced advice would be much appreciated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067200.page GMT
The shoota boy squads also need to be 30 strong. A mob of 20 loses fearless too soon. So you'll have to cut something else. The mega armor should go, but then you would need another HQ for double FOC (KFF).

I assume one of the Kannon squads is manning the quad gun? I would drop the 6 extra gretchin in the other squads. I've found that most opponents will ignore the kannons, because there are too many other threats pushing up field and shooting at T7 grots behind an ADL isn't very efficient.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067297.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067320.page GMT 2000
130 Warboss Bike, BP, PK
415 Nob Biker Mob
80 painboy w/cybork
95 Nob w/cybork, PK, & Waaagh! banner, BP
75 Nob w/cybork, PK
55 Nob w/cybork & BC
55 Nob w/cybork & BC
55 Nob w/cybork & BC
40 10 grots, runtherd
150 10 Lootas

85 Big Mek w/KFF
180 30 shoota boys
180 30 shoota boys
180 30 shoota boys
135 9 Lootas
135 9 Lootas
135 9 Lootas
69 3 kannons, 3 runts
66 3 kannons, 2 runts
100 ADL & Quad

I got close, but had to switch one kannon squad to a grot squad and drop the lootas down to 9 each. You could also split the loota up into 6 squads (4x5, 9, 9) which would work pretty well to spread out threats.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067363.page GMT I was slightly worried about 1 lone battlewagon, and you confirmed my suspicions.
One thing though is that I'm not sold on KFFs, especially with wave serpents and TFCs being my biggest threats. I read some mathhammer a while ago showing how it's not really efficient unless with 180 boys.
I like the idea of breaking the Lootas up into 6 squads, I think that will work much better.
I also think I might keep off the big choppas to try and keep the third kannon squad. Hmmm, I'm still a little over.
Here's my idea:

Warboss BP CB PK 140

Big Mek SAG (never really used him, just trying to think of a cheap but useless second HQ that's not a KFF since my meta has tons of ignores cover)
Maybe get rid of this guy and run a cheap Warboss in a boyz squad?

6 x 6 Lootas

3 x 30 boyz

6 Bike nobz w/ cybork
Painboy
PK w / banner
PK
3 regular

2 x 3 kannons w/ 3 runts
3 kannons w/ 3 runts and 6 gretchin

ADL w/ quad gun

2070 pts]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067479.page GMT In my expirence kill a PK on the bikers for a BC and give the front few cyborks instead. it will help tank some bullets and will be ok vs ignores cover n such cheese.
also kill the extra Meganob for Deffrolla and a big shoota.
Edit: agreeing alot with wormark. didnt read the comments much lol. also he is right about the kannons i had forgot that part. the t7 grots will be ignored untill the end or unless they have a DP unit than he will boom ur bw and move on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553312/6067667.page GMT