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http://www.medpagetoday.com/psychiatry/addictions/14872?xid=ob_&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=psyc&hr=ob]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6079924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6079924.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080296.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide Like plenty of other things alcohol is good for you in moderation. I do tend to find that I'm more of a friendly drunk ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080400.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080568.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080568.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide
I need no further proof of what alcohol can do to me. I stay away, despite some people trying to force it upon me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6080622.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

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They calculated this using DALYs, a statistic which factors in, "lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability." What about natural death?

Sounds like the title of the article is intentionally misleading. It should read, "Alcohol contributes to 4% of deaths not resulting from natural causes."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081024.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081229.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I find that statistic very hard to believe.

They calculated this using DALYs, a statistic which factors in, "lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability." What about natural death?

Sounds like the title of the article is intentionally misleading. It should read, "Alcohol contributes to 4% of deaths not resulting from natural causes."

How do you define "natural death"? Since you obviously don't include disease in that, I'm a bit confused.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081247.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide
Apparently, despite my brain being passed out, my body continues to function like i normally do when drunk (I.E. giggling and happy) except with a slight increase in the staggering.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081257.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I find that statistic very hard to believe.

They calculated this using DALYs, a statistic which factors in, "lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability." What about natural death?

Sounds like the title of the article is intentionally misleading. It should read, "Alcohol contributes to 4% of deaths not resulting from natural causes."

How do you define "natural death"? Since you obviously don't include disease in that, I'm a bit confused.

This is exactly the problem.

The authors of the article calculate DALYs using "premature death". What is non-premature death? I assume that this refers to "natural death", but how do you define this?

The study uses a poorly operationalized construct to satisfy special interests. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081626.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I find that statistic very hard to believe.

They calculated this using DALYs, a statistic which factors in, "lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability." What about natural death?

Sounds like the title of the article is intentionally misleading. It should read, "Alcohol contributes to 4% of deaths not resulting from natural causes."

How do you define "natural death"? Since you obviously don't include disease in that, I'm a bit confused.

I would guess they take the average lifespan for the country.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081693.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide
I'd also like to know the size of the data (how many people were measured), and a full breakdown of the causes, not just alcohol. For instance, how many were accidents? How many were cancer? How many were caused by cigarettes? Violence or crime? The figure for alcohol seems a bit meaningless on its own without comparison.

What I've taken away from this is only another case of a probably worthwhile study blown out of proportion by media to further their own agendas. Why is alcohol even concentrated on? What happened to the other 96%?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081782.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Super Ready wrote:
What I've taken away from this is only another case of a probably worthwhile study blown out of proportion by media to further their own agendas. Why is alcohol even concentrated on? What happened to the other 96%?

I think the same thing about firearm hysteria]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6081808.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6082406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6082406.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Because OMG alcohol is more dangerous than [insert banned substance here]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6082418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6082418.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

DemetriDominov wrote:
I wonder what those "special interests" are ... informing the public that indeed too much alcohol can kill you? Seems conspiritory lol.

You need to look at how organizations like this are funded.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh342/135-143.htm

JÜRGEN REHM, PH.D., is director of the Department of Social and Epidemiological Research at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health and chair and professor in the Dalla Lana School of Public Health, University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada, and is a section head at the Institute for Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, Technische Universität Dresden, Dresden, Germany.

The cycle goes like this. Researcher publishes study on alcohol. Everyone freaks out about the dangers of alcohol. Due to pressure, the NIH and WHO fund research on alcohol. The cycle starts over again...

It's in this guy's best interests to make a mountain out of a molehill. Without people freaking out about the dangers of alcohol use, the Center of Addiction and Mental Health at University of Toronto will go broke.

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Can we get the full data, please? I am interested in what the other 96% is comprised of.
By my calculations, 4% of anything is relatively small without comparatives. Are there 90 other things that are 2% or less of this total?

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It cost me friendships, extremely awkward morning-after goodbyes, cumulative months of my memory, scars, stitches, and summons to appear.

OTOH, it also gave me the impetus to chat up the woman who eventually became my wife. So it's a wash.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6083721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6083721.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I find that statistic very hard to believe.

They calculated this using DALYs, a statistic which factors in, "lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability." What about natural death?

They're two different measures. The 3.8% figure is the number of people who died of alcohol related death, divided by the number of people who died in total.

The second measure, using DALY, takes the life expectancy of the average person who dies of natural causes, and measures the amount of years lost to various health issues before then (ie if a person is normally expected to live until 75 and dies in a car accident at 25, that event took away 50 years of life)*. It then calculates all the events that caused people to die before natural causes took their lives (cancer, disease, war, famine etc) and said that alcohol represents 4.6% of that total.

*It also has a measure for reduced quality of life - ie if that car accident left you in a wheelchair that would be factored in.

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Super Ready wrote:
Natural causes (aside from disease) would be old-age and various bodily functions simply giving up, most notably the heart. It seems this is not accounted for in DALYs.

Nah, that's exactly what DALY uses as the base line. It takes natural death, and then calculates the cost in life of everything that causes a person to die (or have a much reduced living standard) before that point.

What I've taken away from this is only another case of a probably worthwhile study blown out of proportion by media to further their own agendas. Why is alcohol even concentrated on? What happened to the other 96%?

We do actually spend a lot of time talking about cancer and other causes of death.

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NuggzTheNinja wrote:
The cycle goes like this. Researcher publishes study on alcohol. Everyone freaks out about the dangers of alcohol. Due to pressure, the NIH and WHO fund research on alcohol. The cycle starts over again...

It's in this guy's best interests to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Yeah... no. Seriously, just no. Absolutely, 100% no.

Overstating your findings and getting bitchslapped in peer review is the number one way to find your future research dollars disappear entirely. And what's more, if future funding was all that mattered, then you'd pick a lot sexier topic that alcohol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6083920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6083920.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide
I'm with you on that one. There was a lot of alcoholism where I grew up and I saw more than a few divorces, deaths, and jobs lost because of it.

@Sebster,

I thought it was interesting also to. Learn that more than half the world population abstains from drinking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6083977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6083977.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

sebster wrote:

Yeah... no. Seriously, just no. Absolutely, 100% no.

Overstating your findings and getting bitchslapped in peer review is the number one way to find your future research dollars disappear entirely. And what's more, if future funding was all that mattered, then you'd pick a lot sexier topic that alcohol.

This publication in Nature shuts down that argument rather succinctly...

http://www.vub.ac.be/phd/doctoralschools/lsm/docs/435737a.pdf

It's rather ubiquitous...

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:582178/FULLTEXT01.pdf

100% no? lol, OK. I work in academia AND the industry, and I see this constantly. But tell me how I'm wrong.

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NuggzTheNinja wrote:
This publication in Nature shuts down that argument rather succinctly...

http://www.vub.ac.be/phd/doctoralschools/lsm/docs/435737a.pdf

It's rather ubiquitous...

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:582178/FULLTEXT01.pdf

It really, really doesn't prove your point. A pair of articles pointing out that some scientific studies have some level of dishonesty really, really doesn't mean we get to just start concluding that any article with a result that your gut feel says is overstated means we can conclude that the article must be dishonestly constructed in order to attract more research dollars.

That's just 'don't like their conclusion, therefore they're lying and I'm going to carry on believing whatever I want'.

100% no? lol, OK. I work in academia AND the industry, and I see this constantly. But tell me how I'm wrong.

I had to explain how DALY was used in the original article after you misread it, so that's kind of an interesting statement.

But it's great that you are in the industry, because that means you must have a subscription to the Lancet and will be able to provide us with the original article.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6084036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6084036.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

sebster wrote:

It really, really doesn't prove your point. A pair of articles pointing out that some scientific studies have some level of dishonesty really, really doesn't mean we get to just start concluding that any article with a result that your gut feel says is overstated means we can conclude that the article must be dishonestly constructed in order to attract more research dollars.

The first article actually manages to commit nearly every error it is written to point out.

Also, this...

Duplication is misrepresents the work as original and a contribution to the literature

...is bs associated with Journal exclusivity, not concern with the "literature".

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sebster wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
This publication in Nature shuts down that argument rather succinctly...

http://www.vub.ac.be/phd/doctoralschools/lsm/docs/435737a.pdf

It's rather ubiquitous...

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:582178/FULLTEXT01.pdf

It actually does very well. You insinuated that scientists do not overstate their findings or commit other academic mores due to community checks in peer review. This is simply untrue, and indicates a telling naivete. The fact that something has passed through the peer review circuit indicates very little as to the quality of the research. Articles are constantly redacted. If you fancy yourself an intellectual, then try to read academic articles with a critical eye.

100% no? lol, OK. I work in academia AND the industry, and I see this constantly. But tell me how I'm wrong.

sebster wrote:

I had to explain how DALY was used in the original article after you misread it, so that's kind of an interesting statement.

But it's great that you are in the industry, because that means you must have a subscription to the Lancet and will be able to provide us with the original article.

You keep hinging on this...the problem is that a misinterpretation doesn't exist. That value in their meta analysis gets 12 half lines in this summary and it's not the focus of the Medpage article. The bulk of it is based on DALY measures. If you know anything about meta analysis, you know that your main outcome is entirely dependent upon selection criteria (the studies that you use to calculate your effect sizes). If these criteria for studies are biased in any way, then your results are biased. You would have to review the original manuscript to see if there are issues obviously, but whenever an anti-X group publishes on the evils of X, you should probably tighten up your magnifying glass and read carefully.

The only information for which they collected novel data used DALYs. The title of the article, and the methodology with which they conducted the research, simply do not match up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6085127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6085127.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6085326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6085326.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Although I may not be the best person to ask since I am fairly sure I represent an evolutionary phenomenon in that booze just makes me stronger, smarter, and more attractive to the ladies without any of the negatives other people suffer from it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6087106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6087106.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Bromsy wrote:
My studies show that alcohol is responsibly for almost 58% of the times I've gotten laid. So, totally worth it.

Although I may not be the best person to ask since I am fairly sure I represent an evolutionary phenomenon in that booze just makes me stronger, smarter, and more attractive to the ladies without any of the negatives other people suffer from it.

Only if THEY are the ones doing the drinking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6087384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6087384.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

sebster wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:
This publication in Nature shuts down that argument rather succinctly...

http://www.vub.ac.be/phd/doctoralschools/lsm/docs/435737a.pdf

It's rather ubiquitous...

http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:582178/FULLTEXT01.pdf

It really, really doesn't prove your point. A pair of articles pointing out that some scientific studies have some level of dishonesty really, really doesn't mean we get to just start concluding that any article with a result that your gut feel says is overstated means we can conclude that the article must be dishonestly constructed in order to attract more research dollars.

That's just 'don't like their conclusion, therefore they're lying and I'm going to carry on believing whatever I want'.

100% no? lol, OK. I work in academia AND the industry, and I see this constantly. But tell me how I'm wrong.

sebster wrote:

So if I understand what you are trying to tell Sebster in your capacity as an Academic, peer review doesn't mean crap.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6087400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6087400.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
It actually does very well. You insinuated that scientists do not overstate their findings or commit other academic mores due to community checks in peer review.

Actually I didn't, you need to read the actual words written. I said that overstating your findings and getting bitchslapped in review is the fastest way to see future funding disappear.

From which it would be sensible to conclude that such an action was unlikely, at least not likely enough that we could just conclude that it must be the case.

Instead of that conclusion, through a fairly impressive piece of imagination you somehow concluded that I must mean that it never happens.

The fact that something has passed through the peer review circuit indicates very little as to the quality of the research.

That's just lazy cynicism. Sure, passing peer review doesn't mean the research is absolutely solid, but to just say that it says nothing about the quality of the research is just inane

Articles are constantly redacted. If you fancy yourself an intellectual, then try to read academic articles with a critical eye.

And if you fancy yourself an intellectual, you shouldn't confuse a critical eye with an absolute rejection of a piece of research because you disagree with the conclusion combined with the generalisation that no research is solid.

You keep hinging on this...the problem is that a misinterpretation doesn't exist. That value in their meta analysis gets 12 half lines in this summary and it's not the focus of the Medpage article. The bulk of it is based on DALY measures. If you know anything about meta analysis, you know that your main outcome is entirely dependent upon selection criteria (the studies that you use to calculate your effect sizes).

Oh come on. Your first post stated this; "They calculated this using DALYs, a statistic which factors in, "lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability." What about natural death?"

The article states this;
"calculated that 3.8% of global mortality can be attributed to drinking."
"That was 4.6% of the global total of 1.53 billion DALYs lost to war, disease, malnutrition, accidents, and other causes of premature death and disability, Dr. Rehm and colleagues found."

Which I then explained to you, and to which you've since gotten pissy. Whatever. This is boring.
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Then again that is my natural reaciton to the following as well:
1. Pain
2. Stress
3. Boredom
4. Sadness
5. Happiness
6. Driving
7. Working
8. Exercise
9. Reading Dakka OT
10. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...........................
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They generate a stat, and then word their "findings" in such a way that it seems both credible and startling.

Saying that, based on an predetermined range of age for "natural death", 4% of all "Premature deaths" are caused, directly or indirectly, by the consumption of alcohol, is not saying very much.
There is no comparative statistic regarding the other factors in "premature deaths". What is lacking is the other factors, in descending order, that cause, directly or indirectly, such deaths to occur.

Hypothetical example: Saying that 5% of all vehicular accidents involve females drivers age 16 - 18, relates nothing. It is a simple statistic.
But a headline style title "Women Drivers age 16 - 18 are Among the Worst Drivers.", sensationalizes the information and appeals to the average reader interested in such "research".

4% is a significantly small percentage when compared to other more prominent factors. Yes, I know the article talks about billions of such deaths, of which only 4% are alcohol related. That's 4 out of every 100, 40 out of 1000, 40,000 out of 1 Million, or 40 Million out of 1 Billion.... using the data provided (1.53 B), the number, that 4% of such deaths, is a whopping 61.2 million. That still leaves 1.46 Billion not categorized in the article.

Also, some of the recommendations border on Prohibition.... America tried that. It failed. People still imbibed. Booze could be bought.... It led to the "Gangster Era" that was ended following the "St Valentine's Day massacre". Seven people were gunned down with a Thompson machine gun... imagine what they could do with todays weaponry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6088685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6088685.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide Water is [insert %] more dangerous than alcohol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6089295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6089295.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

helgrenze wrote:

Also, some of the recommendations border on Prohibition.... America tried that. It failed. People still imbibed. Booze could be bought.... It led to the "Gangster Era" that was ended following the "St Valentine's Day massacre". Seven people were gunned down with a Thompson machine gun... imagine what they could do with todays weaponry.

A Thompson is actually still a very high powered sub-machine gun. It is not any less deadly to what we have today, if anything we have less weaponry of that destructive power available.

The Thomson fires .45 caliber rounds at a rate of 600-1500 rounds per minute. That is a very big round for a sub-machine gun.

More people have been killed with less powerful weaponry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6089325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6089325.page GMT Re:Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide
Alcohol = Net population growth

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Bangbangboom wrote:

Alcohol = Net population growth

Do all those poverty stricken countries in Afrcia/South America have large drinking problems? They tend to lead the world in population growth afterall

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Bangbangboom wrote:
And there I thought I was being tongue in cheek .

I did put the laughing Ork after my post

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kronk wrote:
Water is [insert %] more dangerous than alcohol.

Plus, there's sharks in water and I assume there's none in alcohol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6090915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6090915.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Mr Nobody wrote:

kronk wrote:
Water is [insert %] more dangerous than alcohol.

Plus, there's sharks in water and I assume there's none in alcohol.

I do believe that studies have shown that 100% of all Serial Killers in the recorded history of man drank water, so there is that as well....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6090952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6090952.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Mr Nobody wrote:

kronk wrote:
Water is [insert %] more dangerous than alcohol.

Plus, there's sharks in water and I assume there's none in alcohol.

A shark in your alcohol is only dangerous if it is a mean drunk.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6090966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6090966.page GMT Alcohol responsible for almost 4% of death worldwide

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:
kronk wrote:
Water is [insert %] more dangerous than alcohol.

Plus, there's sharks in water and I assume there's none in alcohol.

I do believe that studies have shown that 100% of all Serial Killers in the recorded history of man drank water, so there is that as well....

All criminals are alive when they committed crime!
Therefore we can extrapolate that the crime is life, the ssssentenccce isssss death!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6091105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554030/6091105.page GMT