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I am playing against either Tau w/Space Marine allies or Eldar w/Tau allies

HQ: Huron Blackheart (1#, 160 pts)
1 Huron Blackheart , 160 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 58 & 92); Infantry (Character); Frag Grenades; Krak
Grenades; Power Armour; Sigil of Corruption; Power Axe; The Tyrant's Claw; Champion of Chaos;
Fearless; Hatred (Space Marines); Independent Character; Psyker (Mastery Level 1); The Hamadrya;
Veterans of the Long War; Warlord; Master of Deception; Biomancy; Divination; Pyromancy)

HQ: Typhus (1#, 230 pts)
1 Typhus , 230 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 61 & 93); Infantry (Character); Blight Grenades; Terminator Armour;
Manreaper; Bulky; Champion of Chaos; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Hatred (Space Marines); Independent
Character; Mark of Nurgle; Plague Zombies; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); The Destroyer Hive; Veterans of
the Long War; Nurgle)

Troops: Plague Zombies (35#, 150 pts)
34 Plague Zombies , 150 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 95); Infantry; Improvised Armour; Close Combat
Weapon x34; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Slow and Purposeful)
1 Plague Zombie Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 46 & 98); Infantry (Character); Improvised Armour; Close
Combat Weapon; Champion of Chaos; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Slow and Purposeful)

Troops: Plague Zombies (35#, 150 pts)
34 Plague Zombies , 150 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 95); Infantry; Improvised Armour; Close Combat
Weapon x34; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Slow and Purposeful)
1 Plague Zombie Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 46 & 98); Infantry (Character); Improvised Armour; Close
Combat Weapon; Champion of Chaos; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Slow and Purposeful)

Troops: Plague Zombies (35#, 150 pts)
34 Plague Zombies , 150 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 95); Infantry; Improvised Armour; Close Combat
Weapon x34; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Slow and Purposeful)
1 Plague Zombie Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 46 & 98); Infantry (Character); Improvised Armour; Close
Combat Weapon; Champion of Chaos; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Slow and Purposeful)

Fast Attack: Heldrake (1#, 170 pts)
1 Heldrake , 170 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 52 & 101); Vehicle (Flyer w/ Hover mode); Daemonic Possession;
Baleflamer; Fear; Daemon; Daemonforge; It Will Not Die; Meteoric Descent)

Fast Attack: Heldrake (1#, 170 pts)
1 Heldrake , 170 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 52 & 101); Vehicle (Flyer w/ Hover mode); Daemonic Possession;
Baleflamer; Fear; Daemon; Daemonforge; It Will Not Die; Meteoric Descent)

Heavy Support: Chaos Predator (1#, 145 pts)
1 Chaos Predator , 145 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 54 & 103); Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers;
Dirge Caster; Twin-Linked Lascannon; Lascannon (each side))

Heavy Support: Chaos Predator (1#, 145 pts)
1 Chaos Predator , 145 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 54 & 103); Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers;
Dirge Caster; Twin-Linked Lascannon; Lascannon (each side))

Heavy Support: Chaos Predator (1#, 145 pts)
1 Chaos Predator , 145 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 54 & 103); Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers;
Dirge Caster; Twin-Linked Lascannon; Lascannon (each side))

: Aegis Defence Lines (2#, 100 pts)
1 Aegis Defence Lines , 100 pts (Battlefield Debris (Defence Lines))
1 Gun Emplacement (Quad-gun)

Troops: Plague Marines (6#, 165 pts)
4 Plague Marines , 165 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 46 & 98); Infantry; Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power
Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Boltgun x4; Plague Knife x4; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Mark of Nurgle)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 39 & 96); Infantry (Character); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades;
Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Boltgun; Plague Knife; Champion of Chaos; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Mark of
Nurgle)
1 Chaos Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 54 & 99); Vehicle (Transport, Tank); 10 model capacity; Searchlight;
Smoke Launchers; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Combi-Boltgun; Repair)

Troops: Plague Marines (5#, 120 pts)
4 Plague Marines , 120 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 46 & 98); Infantry; Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power
Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Boltgun x4; Plague Knife x4; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Mark of Nurgle)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 39 & 96); Infantry (Character); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades;
Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Boltgun; Plague Knife; Champion of Chaos; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Mark of
Nurgle)

My idea here is to run Huron as my warlord, and give some of my units infiltrate and use that to get my zombies in up close, possibly assaulting with them on turn 2. (or at least making him drop his troops back. Should take about 70 hits (using average chances for them to hit/wound on a bolter shot) Predators for long range anti-vehicle support against both armies, popping wave serpents and/or shooting down riptides etc...

Heldrakes can drop in and vector strike/baleflamer some stuff, assuming they survive skyfire/interceptor shots. ((i'm pretty much the only one running flying units so I always count on them taking anti-flyer stuff...

plague marines for holding objectives.


I think that if I play against Tau w/ space marines he's going to build a markerlight horde, or possibly use minimal tau and try to play with the new SM codex.

If I play the elder guy I think he normally runs farseers council or whatever it is called and lots of ethereals and such.

I played another Eldar guy yesterday with a different list, and though we had to call it early, I think I had him tabled by the time we hit the bottom of Turn 5. ((Though he plays an Eldrad list w/ tau allies.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554082/6080785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554082/6080785.page GMT -Not so much detail is needed for your list when you post it. Most of us are very familiar with everything

Translating your list...
HQ:
Huron Blackheart

Typhus

Troops:
35x Plague Zombies
-Champion

35x Plague Zombies
-Champion

35x Plague Zombies
-Champion

5x Plague Marine
-Champion
-Rhino

5x Plague Marine
-Champion
-Rhino

Fast Attack:
Heldrake
-Baleflamer

Heldrake
-Baleflamer

Heavy Support:
Chaos Predator
-Dirge Caster
-TL Lascannon
-Lascannon Sponsons

Chaos Predator
-Dirge Caster
-TL Lascannon
-Lascannon Sponsons

Chaos Predator
-Dirge Caster
-TL Lascannon
-Lascannon Sponsons

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line
-Quad Gun




Alright, with that we can start some advice
-Don't attack Riptides, it just isn't worth it. They take too much to put down and you almost always have better targets.
-I'd give your plague marines some special weapons. Plasma I see being pretty popular but I'm always a fan of meltaguns.

Past that I can't give much advice. My CSM experience is pretty lacking. Hope that this helps though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554082/6081743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554082/6081743.page GMT
The list above was copied and pasted from Army Builder's PDF output, And I realize that some people may not need the added detail, however, even playing with a group of friends that have been playing for years, I still find it useful to have as much detail as possible. It's not intended to insult your intelligence or anything like that, but rather, to give those who are a little less experienced with CSM, but may have some good thoughts on tactics the info they may need to see some additional info.

With regards to your suggestions, I hadn't really thought about ignoring riptides, but I'm curious as to what you would consider Target priority when facing Eldar w/ Tau allies?

My last game with Eldar/Tau went favorably for me, but mostly because I used a list I am comfortable with, and I got a psychic shriek on a wraithknight that reduced him to 1 wound on the turn I charged him with a nurgle lord on a bike, with an accompanying nurgle sorcerer, and a full squad of nurgle chaos spawn.

Other than that, my Predators made pretty quick work of his quad gun, and some of his wave serpents, leaving 1 of my 2 heldrakes open to vesctor strike/baleflamer at will. The other one having been shot down by his riptide.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554082/6087331.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554082/6087331.page GMT