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--HQ--
Crisis Commander w/bodyguard -- 338
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
EWO
Drone Controller
Marker Drone x 2
----BodyGaurd x2 -----;
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
EWO
Marker Drone x 4

Crisis Commander w/bodyguard -- 326
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
EWO
Drone Controller
Marker Drone x 2
----BodyGaurd x2 -----;
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
EWO
Marker Drone x 3

---Elites--
Stealth Team -- 162
Crisis Shas'vre w/ Homing Beacon and Stimulant Injector
Shield Drone x 2
Crisis Shas'ui x 1
Crisis Shas'ui x 1 w/ Fusion Blaster and Target Lock


---Troops---
Crisis Shas'ui x 2 -- 189
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Rifle
Target Lock
Crisis Shas'ui x 1
Fusion Blaster
Fusion Blaster
Velocity Tracker

Crisis Shas'ui x 2 -- 189
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Rifle
Target Lock
Crisis Shas'ui x 1
Fusion Blaster
Fusion Blaster
Velocity Tracker

Crisis Shas'ui x 2 -- 189
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Rifle
Target Lock
Crisis Shas'ui x 1
Fusion Blaster
Fusion Blaster
Velocity Tracker

Crisis Shas'ui x 2 -- 189
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Rifle
Target Lock
Crisis Shas'ui x 1
Fusion Blaster
Fusion Blaster
Velocity Tracker

Crisis Shaui x3 -- 174
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
EWO

Crisis Shaui x3 -- 174
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
EWO

Agis Defence Line w/comms relay-- 70]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084394.page GMT ML support 2 melta shots at bs3 is highly unlikely to kill a tank meaning you'll need 3 if not all those units with 9" of that tank and lots of the plasma shots will get wasted as they have to either fire also at said tank or shoot at distant targets. Wouldn't you be better off with some all plasma teams and just 1 or 2 all melta teams?

Those burst cannon teams are 215 points for on average 23.67 hits. 12 Gun drones would be 168 points for on average 23.33 hits all pinning. So you get effectively the same firepower for 50 points less. You still have 12 T4 wounds so you're not even losing much survivability.

What is your plan to deal with armies based on 2+ cover saves?

Do you think that you need 3 Broadsides in each unit? With 6 in total wouldn't 3 units of 2 be more efficient (granted I run like this but with ML support so with perhaps 3s are necessary?).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084437.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084478.page GMT MLs I'm staying that 2 Bs3 melta guns has about a 25% chance to blow a tank in melta range. So rolling well you'll generally still need at least 2 if not 3 of those units within 9" of that tank.

Where as if you had an all melta team you could drop that in next to tank kill it and use the plasma teams to murder the contents.

Let me know how your volume fire plan works next time you face the Farsun bomb.

MLs aren't just for your rolling they are to deny your opponent the chance to roll too.

If you roll well then again splitting the Broadsides is probably a good idea.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084519.page GMT
Still keeping the Fusion Plasma Teams the way they are.
i don't want to lump them all into one group to have them pop one tank then die.


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Not doing the gundrone thing because the drones can't capture objectives.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084542.page GMT LR or LRBT?

But the new list does look better. I would drop a few drones to give the commanders two Missile Pods and target locks.

I agree you want 6 troops choices in an Enclave list always.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6084603.page GMT
First of all, your points are all way off. You need to purchase a codex. That being said, I'll go point by point.

"--HQ--
Crisis Commander -- 93
Drone Controller

Crisis Commander -- 93
Drone Controller"

What are these guys doing? Mark'os aren't bad but why would you waste their BS5 by giving the no weapons? Missile Pods synergize well with marker drones because they have the same range. Give the commanders 2 each and Target Lock if you're worried about maximizing their utility.

"---Troops---
Crisis Shas'ui x 3 -- 170
Plasma Rifle (Two Shas'ui)
Plasma Rifle (Two Shas'ui)
Fusion Blaster (one Shas'ui)
Fusion Blaster (one Shas'ui)
Target Lock (one Shas'ui)"

If you mean 4 plasma rifles and 2 fusion in the squad with a Target Lock on the Fusion boy then that loadout is 164 points...including the mandatory Bonding. Also, while it's not always a waste to mix weapons systems within Crisis units...it almost always is. Better to have a 2 man TL Fusion squad for suicide tank-busting than trying to make this guy operate effectively.

"Crisis Shas'ui x 3 -- 215
Burst Cannon
Burst Cannon
Drone Controller
Gun Drone x 2"

I'm going to pray you meant 6 Gun Drones. 6 Burst Cannons, Drone Controller and 6 Gun Drones is 209...again with BKR worked in.

"--Fast Attack--
Marker Drone x 5 - 60 (joined by CDR)

Marker Drone x 5 - 60 (joined by CDR)"

These are 70 points each. Independent Drone units from the Fast Attack section cost 2 points more each than normal upgrade drones.

"----Heavy Support----
Broad Side x 2 -- 190
Missle Side
Smart Missles
EWO
Missle Drone x 2"

I'm completely lost on your points now but the way you want to run Broadsides is x3, with Shas'vre for the LD bump, Drone controller, x6 Drones and Missiles all around. That's 303 with Bonding. Expensive, but effective.

The list isn't terrible but let's focus on becoming legal before we continue with tactical advice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6085125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6085125.page GMT
Hmm I'm a bit torn with this list...

I'm just double checking on formatting, but I'm assuming your plasma fusion squads are:

1x shas'ui with 2x fusion blaster, target lock
2x shas'ui with 2x plasma rifle

If so then I give my approval. I run a similar setup in my crisis teams: A shas'vre is given target lock and 2x fusion blasters while the 2 other suits are given either 2x plasma, plasma/missile pod, burstcannon/flamer, etc.

I agree that a crisis team with 6 fusion blasters is much more efficient at killing vehicles, but often it can be overkill and puts all your eggs in one basket. A shas'vre with 2x fusion blasters/target lock as much more utility (while his team mates focus on their own task). A Shas'vre is a character so he will have precision shot - if no vehicles are around he can sniper and ID most sergeants (and even HQ's). Furthermore, my crisis teams usually run in pairs so I can essentially have the shas'vre from 2 squads focus as vehicle (4 fusion blasters). If no vehicles are around I have the tactical flexibility to deal with infantry - and do so effectively since it isn't just 6 fusion blaster shots.

My point, leave the 2 fusion blasters as is.

That being said, your suit loadouts are for the most part good (all Tau players have their own preferences) and your broadsides are pretty standard.

There are a few things I'd like to see addressed though:

1. I think your drone squads have incorrect point costs. I know drones attached to suits are 12 pts each but in squads they are 14 pts each so your 5 drones should be 70 (don't have codex on me so please confirm).
2. You are spending (if my drone cost is correct) 163 pts for 5 BS5 markerlights..... this is pretty overkill and a waste of points. For 99 points you can get a sniperdrone team with 3 marksmen and 4 sniper drones. You gain 4 sniper rifles with rapidfire at 24" range, stealth and 3 BS5 markerlights. Most importantly this frees up your commanders who can be given a combat role in your crisis teams. Each will give your crisis team LD 10, and you can equip them with 2x fusion blasters/target lock. If you were worried about lack of fusion blasters before well now you just added 2 per commander at BS5!
3. It would be nice if each suit squad was given a shield drone or 2, JSJ is great, but your suits will die easily. A cheap shield drone can prevent that lascannon for instakilling your suit.

If you need points for my suggestions then drop a burstcannon suit team to free up points for the sniperdrone teams, shield drones, and gear for your commanders.

If you really want that 6th troop choice back then take:

75 pts 1x shas'ui with twin-linked missile pod, drone controller, bonded and 2 markerdrones

The team above is scoring, and provides 2 BS3 markerlights - basically just an annoying little unit to camp an objective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6085131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6085131.page GMT hq slot. As an IC he and his drones can join the marker drone squad. After reading the drone rules, i believe that the drones with the commander are scoring, as it says under the drone section that alone they don't score or contest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6085208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6085208.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6087731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6087731.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6091771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6091771.page GMT TL's on the Mark'O teams instead of EWO's. You don't want to shoot missiles at the target you're trying to mark (usually).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6091789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554260/6091789.page GMT

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or Even on First turn with Drop Pod Assualt. Keeps them from getting ganked before they get to go.
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