<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Astorath led crazies..."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Astorath led crazies... Unlike the 6 flyer lists ive posted recently ive actually got the models for this (minus 2 drop pods). Idea is to table the enemy and if not then i do have 2 vulnerable scoring units who may be around end game (probably not).

HQ
Astorath

Troops
5 assault marines
2 melta guns, 1 infernus
Pod

5 assault marines
2 melta guns, 1 infernus
Pod

7 death co
Jump packs, 2 powerfists, bp & ccw

9 death co
Bolters, 2 powerfists
Pod

8 death co
3 infernus, 2 power axe, 1 powerfist, bp & ccw
Pod

8 death co
3 infernus, 2 power axe, 1 powerfist, bp & ccw
Pod

Heavy support
Stormraven
Tl assault cannon, tl multi melta

Stormraven
Tl assault cannon, tl multi melta

Total: 2k

Idea is 3 death co pods pop down turn1 infernus' shooting tanks, whilst bolter squad shoots troops. Should take the heat off the advancing jp death co with astorath. By turn 2 the enemy will have 32 death co models plus astorath assaulting them with 2 ravens and 2 tri melta squads supporting (minus casualties and 1&2 on reserve rolls.) At least with the aim of tabling or destroying all scoring units im not giving up all chance of victory.

Fun to play? Play against?




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What I mean by the tabling aim is that I find this force more likely than a normal BA list to table. But if it doesn't table or kill all scoring units it loses. Where as if a normal BA force doent table it can still win.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6095552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6095552.page GMT Astorath led crazies... DC's and have only
10 scoring models (btw, how were you planning to get 2 meltas in the Assault squads?)

2000 points of any shooting army will wreck those DC's in a single turn so that's not much of a distraction.
Survive that however and you might have decent chances against any army.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6097598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6097598.page GMT Astorath led crazies... The point isnt scoring units. The assault squads aren't there to score but to provide more drops. The sole aim is to table or wipe out all opponents scoring units. Hence far higher chance of losing but lots of fun!
You're right I can only have 1 melta per 5 men so need to rethink that (totally forgot that my tri melta units were due to combat squadding).
You are spot on - I have invested a lot in dc spec ccws. Ive been thinking since that it would make more sense to drop some for more dc.
So dropping 2 meltaguns from assault, 2pfs and 2pas from death cos will net me 100pts enabling me to take the pod units up to 10 each. Still left with a pf in each squad and a pa in 2. 37 DC + Astorath is a lot harder to dent than you think.
In fact if I take the assault squads away I can still take tri melta if i replace them with dc with infernus...
Hang on a minute I'll come right back at ya with a non-scoring dc list ;-)...


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HQ
Astorath

Troops
7 Death co
Jps, pf, bp & ccw

10 Death co
Bolters, pf
Pod

10 Death co
3 infernus, 2 power axe, bp & ccw
Pod

10 Death co
3 infernus, 1 power axe, 1 pf, bp & ccw
Pod

3 Death co
3 infernus, ccw
Pod

3 Death co
3 infernus, ccw
Pod

Heavy Support
Stormraven
Tl assault cannon, tl multimelta

Stormraven
Tl assault cannon, tl multimelta

Who wants 30 DC in their faces turn 1 (2 squads of which are melta), with another 8 flying across the board. 6 More all armed with melta still to come and 2 ravens. No scoring so forces me to go for the table. But with 44 DC it is more dooable than most lists (still no hugley likely). If I don't manage it I pretty much auto lose. Its not going to get higher than a 50% win rate in a million years. But it is fluffy. Will it be as much fun as it looks do you reckon?


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Bear in mind the pods aren't going to be coming down right in front of an armies gunline, but rather all together on one flank. Even better if i got to place a piece of LOS blocking terrain in the middle of the opponents deployment. If not - theor own units/ range of far flank guns will prevent them bringing their full firepower to bear turn 1 or even 2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6097640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6097640.page GMT Astorath led crazies... DP is kind of hilarious but maybe the enemy won't laugh when you destroy his LR and get first blood 5 Pods so I believe 3 of them will come in first turn (which were you planning?).

Up to you of course, but remember that if you believe there's no need for scoring units, you'll either win big or lose big...


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I just reread your comment.
Well, it should be pretty fun to play at least.

I believe that this list stands a proper chance but you'll never know. I might try something similiar...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098247.page GMT Astorath led crazies... DC squads? Something like 1 per 5 or 10 models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098445.page GMT Astorath led crazies...
Bugs_N_Orks wrote:
Isn't there a limit on infernus pistols in DC squads? Something like 1 per 5 or 10 models.


"For every five models in the squad, one Death Company can replace his bolt pistol with one of the following:
...
an infernus pistol"

That seems to be true.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098575.page GMT Astorath led crazies... DC per infernus. Its powerfists/ weapons/ thunder hammers you can have as many as you like of. Damn! That scuppers the entirity of my AT plan.
AND ive undercosted the infernus' by 5pts each. Facepalm!
Although against any tank with rear armour of av 10 or 11 (most tanks) a dc charge will still wipe them out. And the 10 man squads with 2 infernus' in will still have a reasonable chance of seriously screwing with tanks.

Revised list in a few minutes...


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Astorath

6 Death co
Jps, 2 pf, bp & ccw

10 Death co
Bolters, pf
Pod

10 Death co
2 (booooo!) Infernus, 1pf, 1pa
Pod

10 Death co
2 infernus, 1pf, 1pa
Pod

5 assault marines
Melta gun, infernus
Pod

5 assault marines
Melta gun, infernus
Pod

Stormraven
Tl ac, tl mm

Stormraven
Tl ac, tl mm

Dropped a jp dc to upgrade a pa to a pf and afford 1 more pf for the anti mcs/tank. Assault marines need to come back in for anti av14. Still - 2 melta shots is a lot more chancy. There is still the 4 infernus on the dcs. I'll just have to rely on my ravens a bit more against av 14. I suppose i'll have at least 10melta shots guarenteed still since the enemy cant do anything about them being in pods/on flyers. Dc pods to come in first. Im now a sad panda though.


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Or how about this? Lots of upgrades afforded bybdropping a fist jp dc so they can run with Astorath in a raven. More AT and ap2. Plus they don't have to run in the raven if too risky.

Astorath 

5 Death co 
Jps, pf, bp & ccw

10 Death co
 Bolters, pf, 2pa
Pod 

10 Death co
2 infernus, 2pf
 Pod 

10 Death co 
2 infernus, 2pf
Pod 

5 assault marines 
Melta gun, infernus, melta bombs
Pod 

5 assault marines 
Melta gun,infernus, melta bombs
 Pod

 Stormraven
 Tl ac, tl mm 

Stormraven
 Tl ac, tl mm 

Which list is better? Any suggestions welcome. Remember not focussing on scoring, rather tabling. And trying to keep it fun and fluffy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6098601.page GMT Astorath led crazies... AT is based on 6'' so those Stormravens are vital to your game-succession.
(Remember that DC has also Kraks).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6102149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6102149.page GMT Astorath led crazies... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6102343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554876/6102343.page GMT