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				<description><![CDATA[ Sometimes boycotts work<br /> <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-barilla-pasta-boycott-20130927,0,1652350.story" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-barilla-pasta-boycott-20130927,0,1652350.story</a><br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>When pasta king Guido Barilla found himself pilloried on social media for saying he would never use a gay family in his advertising, rival pasta maker Buitoni was quick to capitalise.<br /> <br /> A picture on its Facebook page from the inside of an open door featured the caption: “At Buitoni's house, there's a place for everyone.”<br /> <br /> It was a stark demonstration of the rising power of social media; Barilla's comments to a medium-sized Italian radio station on Wednesday quickly became a global public relations disaster with a likely knock-on effect on sales.<br /> <br /> The comments that he would “never” do an ad “with a homosexual family” to a station that has barely more than 2 million daily listeners spread like wildfire on Twitter and Facebook, sparking worldwide calls to boycott Barilla products on Thursday.<br /> <br /> In his official apology, Barilla said he was sorry “if my words generated misunderstandings and polemics” and “if I offended some people”. He said he was trying to say “simply that the woman plays a central role in a family”.<br /> <br /> The comments will weigh on U.S. sales in the short term, and Barilla's immediate response to the uproar was “muddled and odd”, Ashley McCown, a crisis communications expert at Solomon McCown in Boston, told Reuters.<br /> <br /> “In the U.S. people want to feel good about the things they buy and who they buy them from.”<br /> <br /> The privately owned Barilla company was founded by Guido's great grandfather more than 130 years ago and is the world's biggest pasta maker.<br /> <br /> Seeking to boost sales outside of crisis-hit Italy, Barilla has recently focused on expanding in the U.S., its second biggest pasta market, by introducing microwaveable meals and more ready-made sauces.<br /> <br /> His radio comments came after the interviewer asked him about allegations this week from Laura Boldrini, president of the lower house of parliament, that Italian advertising was full of gender stereotyping.<br /> <br /> Barilla, whose ads often picture mothers serving their families at the dinner table, disagreed, and was then asked whether he would feature a gay family.<br /> <br /> After saying he would not, he spoke at length about his belief in the “classic family”, adding however that he supported gay marriage, which is illegal in Italy, but not adoptions by gay couples.<br /> <br /> In the U.S., gay marriage is now legal in 13 states and, unlike in Italy, the gay rights movement continues to build momentum and break down barriers.<br /> <br /> “I'm Italian, I'm gay, I'm married legally to a man, I have three adopted children. I had Barilla pasta for dinner last night. Today, tomorrow and forever more I will choose another brand of pasta. Good bye Barilla! You lose!!!” David <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>De</span> Maria wrote on Barilla's U.S. Facebook page.<br /> <br /> SPAGHETTI IS STRAIGHT<br /> <br /> The controversy generated several Internet satires. BuzzFeed featured a picture showing heterosexual couples lovingly eating pasta together with the words: “Spaghetti is straight”.<br /> <br /> Another image posted widely on Twitter and Facebook showed the trademark blue Barilla pasta box with the letters “Bigotoni” on it, rather than “Rigatoni”.<br /> <br /> While Barilla's comments were condemned by most, others said the gay community was over-reacting.<br /> <br /> “We may not agree with him but he is just expressing his opinion and doing it in a respectful way,” said JasonD79, who said he was gay, in reaction to a news story on Facebook. “He is not saying gays can't work for them or anything, he is just saying he will not do an ad with a gay family.”<br /> <br /> After its first apology, Barilla posted a second, more contrite version on its U.S. Facebook page several hours later that recognised that it may have offended some of its own employees.<br /> <br /> “While we can't undo recent remarks, we can apologise. To all of our friends, family, employees, and partners that we have hurt or offended, we are deeply sorry,” it read.<br /> <br /> Only time will tell how much the boycott will hurt Barilla, which saw profit tumble 21 percent in 2012.<br /> <br /> “In the short term, it is a threat to sales. What's yet to be seen is, is there really going to be a long-term impact'” McCown said.</div></blockquote><br /> First guys name is Guido and runs a pasta company? How are we sure he isnt in the mafia<br /> Second, The idea that a women has to play a central role in a family is not just in insult to homosexual couples, but single dads. <br /> Third<br /> Thi is bertollis response<br /> <img src="https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7825064704/hF9110798/" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Mama Mia!<br /> <br /> It's a pasta disaster!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I buy my pasta based on which one I believe tastes best out of the available options.  Same with my chicken sandwiches.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098299.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/>I buy my pasta based on which one I believe tastes best out of the available options.  Same with my chicken sandwiches.  </div></blockquote><br /> Pretty much. I may not like what a person says, but so long as it is legal that person has a right to say it]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And your title is completely misleading. He didn't bash homosexual couples at all. He said he believed in the "traditional" family in their advertising. Nothing wrong with that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Especially since he said he was for gay marriage. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098361.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>And your title is completely misleading. He didn't bash homosexual couples at all. He said he believed in the "traditional" family in their advertising. Nothing wrong with that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>. </div></blockquote><br /> That's more than enough to make him a monster to people with an agenda.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This is a poor example of discrimination against homosexuals. <br /> <br /> The guy was pressured about using same sex adds, gave a non-answer, was pressed and admitted he would not ever use  same sex couples in an ad. <br /> <br /> What is anti gay about wanting to be a pasta company that is not embroiled in a controversy that costs customers no matter which way you swing?<br /> <br /> Of course, he chose to actually give a real answer instead of lying or ignoring people. Now he's getting crucified.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098394.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> That's more than enough to make him a monster to people with an agenda.  </div></blockquote><br /> Someone with an agenda in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(415);'>OT</span>? Surely not......]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Storm in a tea cup.<br /> <br /> What is anti-gay about banning gay people from your company's adverts?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098547.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Storm in a tea cup.<br /> <br /> What is anti-gay about banning gay people from your company's adverts?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Its not so much banning... rather he is refusing to show them in his adverts. If he were banning them, he'd probably have said something to the effect of he'd rather they not buy his product.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So what's wrong with that?  He maintained that his company believes in the traditional family unit for their advertising. Hardly surprising from a Italian company that probably has some Catholicism in the family tree.....]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098732.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>So what's wrong with that?  He maintained that his company believes in the traditional family unit for their advertising. Hardly surprising from a Italian company that probably has some Catholicism in the family tree.....</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Is it wrong of me to hope and pray that the CEO of Starbucks says something similar?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/23b702c4c421ddb2d023fee968c0d839.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098815.page"><b>Ensis Ferrae wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098732.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>So what's wrong with that?  He maintained that his company believes in the traditional family unit for their advertising. Hardly surprising from a Italian company that probably has some Catholicism in the family tree.....</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Is it wrong of me to hope and pray that the CEO of Starbucks says something similar?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Why? (And, yes, I know I'm agreeing with Cincy here. What gives..?)<br /> <br /> I believe homosexuals are deserving of their rights, being equal and all that. They are just as much of a human being as anyone on Earth. <br />  <br /> But I'm getting tired of this media witch hunt that goes on every time some CEO or company voices their opinion about homosexuals. It's their opinion. Deal with it. You can bully them into "apologizing" and backtracking while gritting their teeth, but it doesn't do anything to help homosexuals in any way, and it's not even an honest apology or realization. What this witch hunt does, is reinforce the animosity any homophobe holds against homosexuals, reinforcing their ignorant belief's and just ultimately sweeping the issue under a big rug. Beating on the big guy because he doesn't like gays won't make him learn to love them. <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/934fe4f0c85983a716e6680a72065e99.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Its their opinion, But it is also our opinion. They, as head of companies, should realize that they should not say stupid gak.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098899.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Its their opinion, But it is also our opinion. They, as head of companies, should realize that they should not say stupid gak.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Why is it stupid to say he prefers a traditional family on his pasta boxes and/or in adverts? His words have been twisted like the Fusilli his company makes.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Because it implies that homosexuals cannot be part of a traditional family, And the the traditional family is the only right way.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ But it isn't stupid. At all. I don't know when it became a bad thing to believe in the traditional family, but it has, and it's a ridiculously politically correct double standard. <br /> <br /> The dude said he's for gay marriage.  I'm for gay marriage. Let everyone have equal protection under the law. <br /> <br /> But come on, it's not like homosexual couples can have kids on their own. It's biologically impossible.  Many people that believe in the importance of the traditional family unit cite this as the very reason for doing so. <br /> <br /> To demonize people for believing this is utterly hypocritical. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098899.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Its their opinion, But it is also our opinion. They, as head of companies, should realize that they should not say stupid gak.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So they should have lied after being badgered to answer the question?  Would that have made you feel better?  His remarks where clear that he feels homosexuals have every right to live as they see fit, but he also felt that in advertising for his company he felt it best to stick to the traditional definition of marriage, instead of pandering to a minority.  He didn't tell gays to go eat someone elses pasta.  He just made it clear that he understood that his remarks would cause exactly what happened, and people were free to choose other brands if they wished to.<br /> <br /> Tell me, what is stupid about that?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098915.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Because it implies that homosexuals cannot be part of a traditional family, And the the traditional family is the only right way.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Homosexuals cannot create the "traditional family unit". It's impossible. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098925.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098915.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Because it implies that homosexuals cannot be part of a traditional family, And the the traditional family is the only right way.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Homosexuals cannot create the "traditional family unit". It's impossible. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Exactly.  They can make a family unit, no denying that.  But two men/women adopting children is not "traditional" in any sense of the word.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/96cea106a6d01a4adda65c5117d1354d.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098928.page"><b>djones520 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098925.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098915.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Because it implies that homosexuals cannot be part of a traditional family, And the the traditional family is the only right way.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Homosexuals cannot create the "traditional family unit". It's impossible. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Exactly.  They can make a family unit, no denying that.  But two men/women adopting children is not "traditional" in any sense of the word.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This.<br /> <br /> I can say pretty confidently that if you ask anyone what the traditional social construct of a "nuclear family" is, the answer will be husband and wife with 2.4 children from the majority of people.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e4d765731f8e7314c30883118d84d5de.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098885.page"><b>Grimtuff wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Why? (And, yes, I know I'm agreeing with Cincy here. What gives..?)<br /> <br /> I believe homosexuals are deserving of their rights, being equal and all that. They are just as much of a human being as anyone on Earth. <br />  <br /> But I'm getting tired of this media witch hunt that goes on every time some CEO or company voices their opinion about homosexuals. It's their opinion. Deal with it. You can bully them into "apologizing" and backtracking while gritting their teeth, but it doesn't do anything to help homosexuals in any way, and it's not even an honest apology or realization. What this witch hunt does, is reinforce the animosity any homophobe holds against homosexuals, reinforcing their ignorant belief's and just ultimately sweeping the issue under a big rug. Beating on the big guy because he doesn't like gays won't make him learn to love them. <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/934fe4f0c85983a716e6680a72065e99.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>Lol</span>, I was saying that because I want to see people start boycotting Starbucks <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> <br /> And for the record, he is on record in supporting gay marriage, he just will not use same sex couples in commercials. To me this is about as much an issue as the weather calling for rain, which is to say, it's a total non-issue for me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think if Starbucks did that they'd lose about a 1/3 of their employees and at a solid 50% or their consumer base. At the very least. :-P]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ab284e05117de64e4740288c3314cb9c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098303.page"><b>Dreadclaw69 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098299.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/>I buy my pasta based on which one I believe tastes best out of the available options.  Same with my chicken sandwiches.  </div></blockquote><br /> Pretty much. I may not like what a person says, but so long as it is legal that person has a right to say it</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Just as the purchasing public has the right to not subsidize that opinion with their buying dollars.  Free speech doesn't mean freedom from all consequences, as people seemed to think back during the Chik-Fil-A thing. Not here, speaking in generality.<br /> <br /> That being said, I already don't buy Barilla because Barilla reliably costs 3x as much as generic and durum semolina is durum semolina - there should not be any taste difference between any brand of 100% semolina pasta.  For sauce though, I'm a Classico man. 4 cheese all the way. <br /> <br /> I don't think what he said was worthy of a boycott, exactly, and certainly not after he apologized - <i>twice</i>. I also think the headline is clearly not a match for what he actually said. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ last I checked in america we still have freedom of speech. So ill tell anyone I don't like homosexuality. I wouldn't apologize for voicing my opinion when someone asked for it. When did then trend of "if you don't gays your automaticly a bad person" start. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences<br /> <br /> freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences<br /> <br /> freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences<br /> <br /> <br /> Freedom of Speech guarantees freedom from <u>government reprisals</u> from you engaging in said protected speech. In other words, if you say Obama is history's greatest monster*, you won't be arrested and jailed. <br /> <br /> That doesn't apply to free market reprisals from non government actors.  If you are selling a thing and say something the buying public doesn't like, you can't say "free speech <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>" and have a free pass. You have the right to say what you want just as they have<b> the right not to support you with their dollars</b>. You already know this because while there is no law that prevents you from telling your boss just how ugly you find him or her, you don't do so because you'd be fired. <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;">*<i>FACT</i></span><br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098732.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>So what's wrong with that?  He maintained that his company believes in the traditional family unit for their advertising. Hardly surprising from a Italian company that probably has some Catholicism in the family tree.....</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Aren't speghetti commercials about the speghetti?  I'm confused, yet strangely hungry.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If people don't want to buy the pasta because the company doesn't want gays in their ads, then the other companies that are willing to feature gays in their ads will benefit.<br /> <br /> This is like the reverse case of the Cheerios commercial earlier this year.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ They didn't bash Homosexuals. Basically what they said is they didn't want to be labeled "The Gay Pasta Company". <br /> <br /> Talk about outing somebody? <br /> <br /> I saw a similar article, that basically said "Barilla President says gays should find another pasta." Nowhere did he say that.<br /> <br /> Why is sexuality even a part of the pasta business anyway? Which when I think about it .....maybe that's what he should have said. Just given a none answer.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099777.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>If people don't want to buy the pasta because the company doesn't want gays in their ads, then the other companies that are willing to feature gays in their ads will benefit.<br /> <br /> This is like the reverse case of the Cheerios commercial earlier this year.</div></blockquote><br /> And equally as dumb.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/23b702c4c421ddb2d023fee968c0d839.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098665.page"><b>Ensis Ferrae wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098547.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Storm in a tea cup.<br /> <br /> What is anti-gay about banning gay people from your company's adverts?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Its not so much banning... rather he is refusing to show them in his adverts. If he were banning them, he'd probably have said something to the effect of he'd rather they not buy his product.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You appear to be saying that refusing to have gays in your adverts is not the same as banning them from your adverts. I confess that the distinction eludes my understanding]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098920.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>But it isn't stupid. At all. I don't know when it became a bad thing to believe in the traditional family, but it has, and it's a ridiculously politically correct double standard. <br /> <br /> The dude said he's for gay marriage.  I'm for gay marriage. Let everyone have equal protection under the law. <br /> <br /> But come on, it's not like homosexual couples can have kids on their own. It's biologically impossible.  Many people that believe in the importance of the traditional family unit cite this as the very reason for doing so. <br /> <br /> To demonize people for believing this is utterly hypocritical. </div></blockquote><br /> It's not that "believing in the traditional family" is a bad thing, but rather that there has been a concentrated push to demonize everything <b>but</b> the traditional family.<br /> Come from a home where your parents are divorced? You come from a "broken home", whether the divorce was amicable or not.<br /> Come from a home where one parent was never in the picture to begin with? You get treated as though you are a juvenile delinquent or have never really been loved/cared for your entire life.<br /> Come from a family with same-sex parents? Depending on the gender of the parents or the child, there's a stigma of you potentially "being abused" or pushed into the same lifestyle.<br /> <br /> I was raised with two loving parents. They split when I turned 16 and when that started up, I was constantly having guidance counselors or teachers pulling me aside to say that there is "always someone to talk to if you need it" about the stupidest things that my friends whose parents were still together never once were pulled aside.<br /> <br /> It was embarrassing and unnecessary. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Are you serious?  You must be living in a different United States I am, because over the past 10-15 years we've been moving towards a level of political correctness that requires you display extreme empathy and understanding for anyone in a non-traditional situation; otherwise, you're villainized. <br /> <br /> Don't believe in gay marriage?  You must be a homophobe or an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Don't think abortion is moral?  You must be a mysogyinst or an an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Didn't vote for Obama?  You must be a racist or an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Believe In <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>th</span> traditional family unit and acknowledge that you agree with gay marriage?  You're a homophobe that must apologize. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099857.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>How is buying pasta from a company that puts people you identify with in their ads dumb?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> The controversy/support in both situations is incredibly dumb.<br /> <br /> Though I don't think buying a given food item because you identify with the actor in a commercial or print advertisement is exactly the height of genius, either.  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>You appear to be saying that refusing to have gays in your adverts is not the same as banning them from your adverts. I confess that the distinction eludes my understanding </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Its called a target market. They are specifically marketing the product in the way they feel will bring it to market the best. They have never run an anti gay ad. Just because I don't specifically market a product to you, does not mean I don't want you to use it or I am against you using it. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>It's not that "believing in the traditional family" is a bad thing, but rather that there has been a concentrated push to demonize everything but the traditional family. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is what I am talking about. Where did they demonize anyone? <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>How is buying pasta from a company that puts people you identify with in their ads dumb? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well if you are talking basically a unsexualized product why are you bringing sexuality into it. It's also dumb if that segment of the market maybe does not buy as much pasta as the other market. Gays make up what percent of the population? Lets say 10%. So now you are focusing your marketing on just 10% of the population, while taking a risk that part of the other 90% may not approve of the ad. Lets face it there are a lot of people that don't want to see that.<br /> <br /> They could easily have an ad that shows 2 women or men eating pasta together, would that make it a gay ad? Or would they actually have to be touching and holdong each other to make you happy?<br /> <br /> Serously, I think its probably better to buy a product on its merit, not necessarily its sexual or political leaning. That is when people get taken. Would you buy an inferior or substandard product just because it was marketed towards your group? That's just stupid. <br /> <br /> Case in point. Malt Liquor is cheap garbage. Its awful. However it is marketed to a certain group and they buy it because it is marketed to them. DONT BE THAT GUY!<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099892.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>Are you serious?  You must be living in a different United States I am, because over the past 10-15 years we've been moving towards a level of political correctness that requires you display extreme empathy and understanding for anyone in a non-traditional situation; otherwise, you're villainized. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Yeah. I must be living in a different United States to you, because not once did I ever experience "extreme empathy or understanding for anyone in a non-traditional situation". When it became common knowledge to the staff at my high school that my parents had split, I started having the staff treat me as though I was some kind of troublemaker--despite being a quiet kid who never really got into trouble.<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Don't believe in gay marriage?  You must be a homophobe or an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Don't think abortion is moral?  You must be a mysogyinst or an an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Didn't vote for Obama?  You must be a racist or an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Believe in the traditional family unit and acknowledge that you agree with gay marriage?  You're a homophobe that must apologize. </div></blockquote><br /> This is nonsense of the highest caliber.<br /> <br /> Don't believe in gay marriage? That's fine, but when you start talking about how how you think that gay marriage is something that the government should not involved in but that it should be between a man and a woman because of the Bible--realize that you might just be called "an ignorant religious zealot" for a reason.<br /> <br /> Don't think abortion is moral? Again, that's fine. Start talking about how women use abortion as "birth control" and you are going to come across as a misogynist. Start talking about how abortion is murder because "life starts at conception", you might be called an "ignorant religious zealot" for a reason.<br /> <br /> Didn't vote for Obama? You might not be racist or an ignorant religious zealot, but realize the company that you are in. There were a large amount of people who did not vote for him because of their perception of him as "Muslim" or "Communist" or any number of idiotic reasons.<br /> <br /> Your last part does hit on something important though. I don't think the CEO bashed homosexuals outright--but I can understand why people would be upset. Whenever I hear the term "traditional family" thrown around here in NC, it is being used to counter the idea that same-sex partners can raise children in a healthy environment or have healthy relationships. <br /> The fact that the guy apologized though suggests that he is just covering his ass rather than standing by his statement.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7021d1c4511d4a6cda0346ca2efddf51.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099935.page"><b>Kanluwen wrote:</b></a><br/>Didn't vote for Obama? You might not be racist or an ignorant religious zealot, but realize the company that you are in. There were a large amount of people who did not vote for him because of their perception of him as "Muslim" or "Communist" or any number of idiotic reasons. </div></blockquote><br /> Hey, thanks for the benefit of the doubt.<br /> <br /> How quickly do you think you're going to start slapping the Triangle of Friendship if I play this little game, too?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099892.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>Are you serious?  You must be living in a different United States I am, because over the past 10-15 years we've been moving towards a level of political correctness that requires you display extreme empathy and understanding for anyone in a non-traditional situation; otherwise, you're villainized.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I've also noticed a lot of people being villainized for holding public opinions on a number of socially and politically contentious topics.  Its almost as if contentious topics provoke vitriolic responses in the course of their discussion.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099905.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div>You appear to be saying that refusing to have gays in your adverts is not the same as banning them from your adverts. I confess that the distinction eludes my understanding </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Its called a target market. They are specifically marketing the product in the way they feel will bring it to market the best. They have never run an anti gay ad. Just because I don't specifically market a product to you, does not mean I don't want you to use it or I am against you using it. <br /> <br /> ...<br /> ...<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Gays don't like pasta? This manufacturer doesn't want gays to buy his pasta? He is afraid that homophobes won't buy his pasta?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7021d1c4511d4a6cda0346ca2efddf51.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099935.page"><b>Kanluwen wrote:</b></a><br/> <br /> <br /> .<br /> <br /> Didn't vote for Obama? You might not be racist or an ignorant religious zealot, but realize the company that you are in. There were a large amount of people who did not vote for him because of their perception of him as "Muslim" or "Communist" or any number of idiotic reasons.<br /> .</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And there were a large portion of people that voted for him simply because he's black.  Yet we never hear anyone pointing out the blatant racism inherent with that, do we?  Further, lumping everyone that didn't vote for Obama together with the ignorant is pretty ridiculous. Especially when there were numerous legitimate fiscal reasons not to. <br /> <br /> The worst part, dogma, is that the media badgers and goads these public officials that they know may not hold the rainbow tinted, cotton candy flavored <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span> viewpoint simply so they can point and go, "now apologize."  Especially if they're white. Adrian Peterson made almost the exact same comment, and yet it was quickly forgotten and he was hardly ostracized for it. <br /> <br /> I simply wish people would stop cow towing to the media and tell them where they can shove their apologies. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099977.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Gays don't like pasta? This manufacturer doesn't want gays to buy his pasta? He is afraid that homophobes won't buy his pasta?</div></blockquote><br /> So I take it you won't buy a product unless it has a male of your race and sexual orientation selling it.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100011.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Sorry, you've lost me.</div></blockquote><br /> Well, we seem to be making the crazy assumption that people will only buy products that specifically identify with their sexual orientation in their advertising.  I think making that assumption's pretty patronizing, but I'm just going with the flow.<br /> <br /> I'm curious, though, if it extends to gender or even race.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099905.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Its called a target market. They are specifically marketing the product in the way they feel will bring it to market the best. They have never run an anti gay ad. Just because I don't specifically market a product to you, does not mean I don't want you to use it or I am against you using it. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> From a marketing perspective homosexuals themselves can largely be ignored, as there simply aren't that many of them.  The people that you don't want to irritate are the homosexual allies, who are often far more irrational regarding homosexuality as a sociopolitical issue than homosexuals.  And, unfortunately for Barilla, a significant consumer of premium foodstuffs in the US.  Though, in Barilla's defense, his comments were made in Italian during an interview on an Italian radio station.  He had no reason to believe that they would become notable in the US.<br /> <br /> At any rate, Barilla might take a small hit in sales over the short term, but in the long run no one will care.  Especially since all he did was state an unwritten rule of advertising in the US.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I am not. I am making the assumption that not deciding not to have gays in your advertising shows you are a bigoted, discriminatory CEO.<br /> <br /> What if the guy had said he won't have black people in advertising, or Jews?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100020.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100011.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Sorry, you've lost me.</div></blockquote><br /> Well, we seem to be making the crazy assumption that people will only buy products that specifically identify with their sexual orientation in their advertising.  I think making that assumption's pretty patronizing, but I'm just going with the flow.<br /> <br /> I'm curious, though, if it extends to gender or even race.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If a company goes on record and says "we will never, ever, put a member of our armed forces in our advertisement" and their competitors market to the military, you wouldn't take that into consideration?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100029.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>I am not. I am making the assumption that not deciding not to have gays in your advertising shows you are a bigoted, discriminatory CEO.<br /> <br /> What if the guy had said he won't have black people in advertising, or Jews?<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't have a problem with blacks, I just don't want them on my pasta!<br /> <br /> [/1960s]]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I am not. I am making the assumption that not deciding not to have gays in your advertising shows you are a bigoted, discriminatory CEO.<br /> <br /> What if the guy had said he won't have black people in advertising, or Jews? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Basically you are saying that unless someone specifically markets to a minority they must obviously be against it? That's pretty flawed logic. That is a victimized mentality!<br /> <br /> Well I guess the other question is how do you know what is in the commercial. Blacks, its pretty easy, Jews though, unless they are wearing yarmulkes how do you know they aren't Jews? If you have two guys in a commercial, how do you make it specifically appeal to homosexuals? Do you make them stereotypes and have them wear pastels, speak with a lisp, go antiquing or make out? I mean where is they line between pandering and insulting? <br /> <br /> When you see a Male and a female with 2 kids, you can go the easy route and just assume its the traditional family, or you can look at it and go well maybe thats a lesbian with her drug addicted brother, they are raising some foster kids whos parents dies in a terrible car accident and make up all kinds of background......OR you can realize its just a commercial made to sell cast the strongest net over the widest audience. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100052.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100047.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100043.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>So the competitor that actually had a gay couple a few years ago had their sales affected negatively?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I have no idea. I wasn't suggesting such research existed. I was just providing a counter point to him automatically being a bigot like Killkrazy suggested. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Additionally, I had no idea such gay pasta advertising existed.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IOQYv66CptE?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah. I've never seen that ad.<br /> <br /> Interesting to me that it makes it appear as if heterosexual couples are "gross" based on the actors reactions. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100071.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Interesting to me that it makes it appear as if heterosexual couples are "gross" based on the actors reactions. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The only heterosexual interaction in that commercial is a fat guy feeling up a waitress. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100070.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div>I am not. I am making the assumption that not deciding not to have gays in your advertising shows you are a bigoted, discriminatory CEO.<br /> <br /> What if the guy had said he won't have black people in advertising, or Jews? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Basically you are saying that unless someone specifically markets to a minority they must obviously be against it? That's pretty flawed logic. That is a victimized mentality!<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> We could jump to all kind of conclusions based on what somebody doesn't do.<br /> <br /> Or we could listen to their <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/28/us-barilla-gays-usa-idUSBRE98R01U20130928" target="_new" rel="nofollow">actual statement</a>:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I would never do (a commercial) with a homosexual family, not for lack of respect <font color='red'>but because we don't agree with them.</font></div></blockquote><br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100041.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100029.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>I am not. I am making the assumption that not deciding not to have gays in your advertising shows you are a bigoted, discriminatory CEO.<br /> <br /> What if the guy had said he won't have black people in advertising, or Jews?<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Or a smart one if there is significant research that shows the best way to advertise Italian family style meals is to so use using the traditional family unit. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That isn't the reason he gave. <br /> <br /> If there is such research Buitoni don't believe it.<br /> <br /> His policy has failed, because he is likely to have generate a lot of negative publicity that will affect his own sales.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>the original article wrote:</cite>When pasta king Guido Barilla found himself pilloried on social media for saying he would never use a gay family in his advertising, rival pasta maker Buitoni was quick to capitalise. <br /> <br /> A picture on its Facebook page from the inside of an open door featured the caption: “At Buitoni's house, there's a place for everyone.” <br /> <br /> It was a stark demonstration of the rising power of social media; Barilla's comments to a medium-sized Italian radio station on Wednesday quickly became a global public relations disaster with a likely knock-on effect on sales. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Above all, though, companies have an ethical duty to not discriminate against people due to irrelevant reasons.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100212.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>His policy has failed, because he is likely to have generate a lot of negative publicity that will affect his own sales. </div></blockquote><br /> I doubt it.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>the original article wrote:</cite>Above all, though, companies have an ethical duty to not discriminate against people due to irrelevant reasons.</div></blockquote><br /> I see we're broadening the definition of discrimination extensively.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100273.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not really, it is pretty standard in modern society not to discriminate against people due to their sexual orientation.</div></blockquote><br /> How on earth is this discrimination?  Has he said he won't hire gay people?  Has he even said he wouldn't hire gay actors to portray this fictional traditional family?  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100348.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>He won't portray gay people in his advertising.<br /> <br /> How is that not discrimination?</div></blockquote><br /> Is it discrimination if a novelist says he won't write novels with gay people in them?  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7021d1c4511d4a6cda0346ca2efddf51.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099935.page"><b>Kanluwen wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099892.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>Are you serious?  You must be living in a different United States I am, because over the past 10-15 years we've been moving towards a level of political correctness that requires you display extreme empathy and understanding for anyone in a non-traditional situation; otherwise, you're villainized. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Yeah. I must be living in a different United States to you, because not once did I ever experience "extreme empathy or understanding for anyone in a non-traditional situation". When it became common knowledge to the staff at my high school that my parents had split, I started having the staff treat me as though I was some kind of troublemaker--despite being a quiet kid who never really got into trouble.<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Don't believe in gay marriage?  You must be a homophobe or an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Don't think abortion is moral?  You must be a mysogyinst or an an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Didn't vote for Obama?  You must be a racist or an ignorant religious zealot. <br /> <br /> Believe in the traditional family unit and acknowledge that you agree with gay marriage?  You're a homophobe that must apologize. </div></blockquote><br /> This is nonsense of the highest caliber.<br /> <br /> Don't believe in gay marriage? That's fine, but when you start talking about how how you think that gay marriage is something that the government should not involved in but that it should be between a man and a woman because of the Bible--realize that you might just be called "an ignorant religious zealot" for a reason.<br /> <br /> Don't think abortion is moral? Again, that's fine. Start talking about how women use abortion as "birth control" and you are going to come across as a misogynist. Start talking about how abortion is murder because "life starts at conception", you might be called an "ignorant religious zealot" for a reason.<br /> <br /> Didn't vote for Obama? You might not be racist or an ignorant religious zealot, but realize the company that you are in. There were a large amount of people who did not vote for him because of their perception of him as "Muslim" or "Communist" or any number of idiotic reasons.<br /> <br /> Your last part does hit on something important though. I don't think the CEO bashed homosexuals outright--but I can understand why people would be upset. Whenever I hear the term "traditional family" thrown around here in NC, it is being used to counter the idea that same-sex partners can raise children in a healthy environment or have healthy relationships. <br /> The fact that the guy apologized though suggests that he is just covering his ass rather than standing by his statement.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Kanluwen is a perfect example of what he's talking about. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100348.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>He won't portray gay people in his advertising.<br /> <br /> How is that not discrimination?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How would he portray gay people exactly, without the presentation itself being sadly stereotypical.  Unless Cam from Modern Family is on their making the speghetti its going to look sadly staereotypical and bigoted itself.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100355.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100348.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>He won't portray gay people in his advertising.<br /> <br /> How is that not discrimination?</div></blockquote><br /> Is it discrimination if a novelist says he won't write novels with gay people in them?  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Look at the controversy surrounding Orson Scott Card and you will see that many people do find that to be objectionable unfair discrimination.<br /> <br /> Personally I think it is a relatively minor matter. There are thousands of novelists and some of them must be homophobic. It doesn't affect society as a whole, because the influence of a single author is quite limited.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100673.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Look at the controversy surrounding Orson Scott Card and you will see that many people do find that to be objectionable unfair discrimination.<br /> <br /> Personally I think it is a relatively minor matter. There are thousands of novelists and some of them must be homophobic. It doesn't affect society as a whole, because the influence of a single author is quite limited.</div></blockquote><br /> I would say it doesn't affect society at all.  You need to be a non-fictitious person in order to be discriminated against.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Jesus Christ. Simply because you don't want to put homosexual families in your marketing doesn't make you a bigot and homophobe. That's really an amazing leap you've made there. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ He said he doesn't agree with homosexuals and that's why he won't put them in his ads. His words.<br /> <br /> It's not the absence of gays in his ads that make people think that he has an anti-gay stance. It's his stated reason for that absence that makes people think that. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wait you didn't know that already?  When did you dig youself out of the time capssule? ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So by traditional family do we mean the single mother who raises her kid because the father has left her? Or any other of the much more likely scenario that might actually be historically accurate, rather than a snapshot of the 1950s?<br /> <br /> Although nuclear families have raised many a good child, I'd like to find out how many children have acutally demonstrated that being raised by gays turned them into social miscreants or criminals. I bet the proportion is about the same as with nuclear, different-sex families.<br /> <br /> KK was right on page 1, this is a tempest in a teacup. I wonder if the conservative media latched onto his statement about not being opposed to gay rights.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> I'm pretty sure when they say "traditional family" they mean mother, father, 2.5 kids where the mother prepares dinner. <br /> <br /> In regards to those being raised by gays: I'm curious if there's even a large enough sample size to do so, comparatively speaking?  I simply don't know. <br /> <br /> They haven't really because that's been something most moderate conservatives and libertarians have been espousing for years. Hell, even Romney said that while he didn't morally agree with it, he'd in no way legislate against it. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Gays eat pasta too.<br /> <br /> I guess Buitoni will clean up that market now.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6101065.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Gays eat pasta too.<br /> <br /> I guess Buitoni will clean up that market now.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Doubtful. Any self respecting gay foodie is making their own pasta anyway. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The busy househusband doesn't have time to make their own pasta.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6101075.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>The busy househusband doesn't have time to make their own pasta.</div></blockquote><br /> That's okay as they'd be making gluten free vegan pasta, which is already made by Schar, and as far as I know they don't have an anti-gay stance <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d4fc5181eb04a3d6a2a3e809c2074f3f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6099113.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ab284e05117de64e4740288c3314cb9c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098303.page"><b>Dreadclaw69 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098299.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/>I buy my pasta based on which one I believe tastes best out of the available options.  Same with my chicken sandwiches.  </div></blockquote><br /> Pretty much. I may not like what a person says, but so long as it is legal that person has a right to say it</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Just as the purchasing public has the right to not subsidize that opinion with their buying dollars.  <u>Free speech doesn't mean freedom from all consequences</u>, as people seemed to think back during the Chik-Fil-A thing. Not here, speaking in generality.</div></blockquote><br /> I never said that it was free from consequences. In fact I'm usually one of the first people to say that free choice is not without consequences]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/0afc295518b0536c6c3e82511db00f05.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6101086.page"><b>Alfndrate wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6101075.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>The busy househusband doesn't have time to make their own pasta.</div></blockquote><br /> That's okay as they'd be making gluten free vegan pasta, which is already made by Schar, and as far as I know they don't have an anti-gay stance <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So homosexuals HAVE to be gluten free vegans? That sir is pure stereotypical bigotry. Its a good thing you are not the owner of a pasta company or you would be in...some....hot.....water! <br /> (removes sunglasses)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100907.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>He said he doesn't agree with homosexuals and that's why he won't put them in his ads. His words.<br /> <br /> It's not the absence of gays in his ads that make people think that he has an anti-gay stance. It's his stated reason for that absence that makes people think that. </div></blockquote><br /> Yet it's at odds with his statement that he doesn't have an issue with gay people.  He doesn't agree with gay marriage, but doesn't have an issue with gay people.  Sounds pretty Catholic to me.<br /> <br /> As far as not putting homosexuals in his ads...do you think he meant homosexual fictional characters, or do you think he meant he would not hire homosexual commercial actors to portray heterosexual characters simply because they're homosexual?  One would be discrimination.  One would not.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6101237.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>The controversy about the issue is an effect on society.  Not a big one, but certainly it has generated news and discussions (like the one we are having now).</div></blockquote><br /> I'm not sure using the fact that the internet freaked out about something as proof that it's actually an issue is going to work for you in this or any other instance, frankly.  The pack mentality of self-appointed moral vigilantes online isn't a good thing.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Nontheless those "self-appointed" vigilantes are members of society and their activity has an effect. The very fact you are arguing for its non-existence proves it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Here is the Wall Street Journal's opinion on the topic.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/09/28/why-did-barilla-pasta-cook-up-trouble-with-gays-rights-groups/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/09/28/why-did-barilla-pasta-cook-up-trouble-with-gays-rights-groups/</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So, does alienating your own markets mean you are failing your fiduciary responsibility as a CEO?   ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I am sure that this will have many gentlemen reconsidering with whom's sauce they stuff their manicotti. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100570.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> How would he portray gay people exactly, without the presentation itself being sadly stereotypical.  Unless Cam from Modern Family is on their making the speghetti its going to look sadly staereotypical and bigoted itself.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Perhaps he show a pair of normal looking-ish (for a commercial) type women to be in the kitchen or dining room together serving a couple of kids at the table a pasta dinner? This way, the people who want to see the homosexual persuasion, will, and those who don't will see a pair of women having a "play date" with kids or something that normal type people do on occasion.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6100907.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>He said he doesn't agree with homosexuals and that's why he won't put them in his ads. His words.<br /> <br /> It's not the absence of gays in his ads that make people think that he has an anti-gay stance. It's his stated reason for that absence that makes people think that. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> He ALSO said that he actually supports the rights of gay marriage, however feels his ads would be better served on principle if he were showing the "traditional family"]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Barilla pasta was 10 for $10 when I went to the store today. Perhaps coincidence, perhaps not. I benefit either way. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6103109.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>He said those things after the backlash started, what else was he going to do </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This was his original statement.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>"For us, the 'sacral family' remains one of the company’s core values. Our family is a traditional family. If gays like our pasta and our advertisings, they will eat our pasta; if they don’t like that, they will eat someone else’s pasta. You can’t always please everyone not to displease anyone. I would not do a commercial with a homosexual family, not for lack of respect toward homosexuals – who have the right to do whatever they want without disturbing others – but because I don’t agree with them, and I think we want to talk to traditional families. The women are crucial in this."<br /> <br /> "I respect same-sex marriage because that concerns people who want to contract marriage, but I absolutely don’t respect adoptions in gay families, because that concerns a person who is not the people who decide,"</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That was the original thing, not something he said afterwards to "apologize".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If he'd at least consider making the father the homemaker, I could somewhat believe that he wasn't a throwback to the 50s. But the "woman's fundamental role" smacks of Kinder, Küche, Kirche.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098361.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/>And your title is completely misleading. He didn't bash homosexual couples at all.</div></blockquote><font color='orange'>Agreed. Title changed. Conclusory titles can be tantamount to trolling.</font>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This whole issue is so fething stupid.<br /> <br /> Companies have strong ideas about brands.  Ever notice how McDonalds ads are full of healthy people?<br /> <br /> If you asked the CEO of McDonalds if he was going to show fat people buying their food, he's going to say no.  Does that mean McDonalds and its CEO hate fat people?  No, it means that McDonalds wants their brand to be associated with certain kinds of warm, fuzzy concepts.<br /> <br /> Barilla wants to be associated with the warm, fuzzy concept of family tradition.  Maybe that means they end up not being as absolutely inclusive as could possibly be, but that's their call, same as McDonalds isn't as inclusive to fat people as they can be.<br /> <br /> <br /> More importantly, this crusading nonsense has to stop.  Between 24 hour news slowly devolving in to a mess of pundits chattering about the latest 'scandal' nonsense, and well, the whole of the internet doing the same, it seems like any comment which is even slightly contraversial gets heaped upon by people looking to go on a grand crusade.  The only result of all this nonsense is that people are simply going to stop saying anything that might even slightly upset the apple cart.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6103918.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>This whole issue is so fething stupid.<br /> <br /> Companies have strong ideas about brands.  Ever notice how McDonalds ads are full of healthy people?<br /> <br /> If you asked the CEO of McDonalds if he was going to show fat people buying their food, he's going to say no.  Does that mean McDonalds and its CEO hate fat people?  No, it means that McDonalds wants their brand to be associated with certain kinds of warm, fuzzy concepts.<br /> <br /> Barilla wants to be associated with the warm, fuzzy concept of family tradition.  Maybe that means they end up not being as absolutely inclusive as could possibly be, but that's their call, same as McDonalds isn't as inclusive to fat people as they can be.<br /> <br /> <br /> More importantly, this crusading nonsense has to stop.  Between 24 hour news slowly devolving in to a mess of pundits chattering about the latest 'scandal' nonsense, and well, the whole of the internet doing the same, it seems like any comment which is even slightly contraversial gets heaped upon by people looking to go on a grand crusade.  The only result of all this nonsense is that people are simply going to stop saying anything that might even slightly upset the apple cart.</div></blockquote><br /> Likely the only post of sebster's I'm ever going to exalt.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6103918.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>This whole issue is so fething stupid.<br /> <br /> Companies have strong ideas about brands.  Ever notice how McDonalds ads are full of healthy people?<br /> <br /> If you asked the CEO of McDonalds if he was going to show fat people buying their food, he's going to say no.  Does that mean McDonalds and its CEO hate fat people?  No, it means that McDonalds wants their brand to be associated with certain kinds of warm, fuzzy concepts.<br /> <br /> Barilla wants to be associated with the warm, fuzzy concept of family tradition.  Maybe that means they end up not being as absolutely inclusive as could possibly be, but that's their call, same as McDonalds isn't as inclusive to fat people as they can be.<br /> <br /> <br /> More importantly, this crusading nonsense has to stop.  Between 24 hour news slowly devolving in to a mess of pundits chattering about the latest 'scandal' nonsense, and well, the whole of the internet doing the same, it seems like any comment which is even slightly contraversial gets heaped upon by people looking to go on a grand crusade.  The only result of all this nonsense is that people are simply going to stop saying anything that might even slightly upset the apple cart.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I agree with Sebster completely.  <br /> <br /> The end times must surely be coming. THERESNOPLACELIKEHOME  THERESNOPLACELIKEHOMESomeone hold me!  THERESNOPLACELIKEHOME THERESNOPLACELIKEHOME]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Interestingly, the CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch did say he hated fat people (in effect) and it cause an internet backlash.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2329621/Abercrombie--Fitch-finally-admits-sincerely-regrets-offending-customers-beautiful-shopping-policy.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/femail/article-2329621/Abercrombie--Fitch-finally-admits-sincerely-regrets-offending-customers-beautiful-shopping-policy.html</a><br /> <br /> One result was a load of people gave A&F clothing to tramps in order to subvert the brand image.<br /> <br /> That's what happens in the world of marketing in which we are supposed to engage with brands.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Brands can be fun to mess with.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6103918.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>This whole issue is so fething stupid.<br /> <br /> Companies have strong ideas about brands.  Ever notice how McDonalds ads are full of healthy people?<br /> <br /> If you asked the CEO of McDonalds if he was going to show fat people buying their food, he's going to say no.  Does that mean McDonalds and its CEO hate fat people?  No, it means that McDonalds wants their brand to be associated with certain kinds of warm, fuzzy concepts.<br /> <br /> Barilla wants to be associated with the warm, fuzzy concept of family tradition.  Maybe that means they end up not being as absolutely inclusive as could possibly be, but that's their call, same as McDonalds isn't as inclusive to fat people as they can be.<br /> <br /> <br /> More importantly, this crusading nonsense has to stop.  Between 24 hour news slowly devolving in to a mess of pundits chattering about the latest 'scandal' nonsense, and well, the whole of the internet doing the same, it seems like any comment which is even slightly contraversial gets heaped upon by people looking to go on a grand crusade.  The only result of all this nonsense is that people are simply going to stop saying anything that might even slightly upset the apple cart.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Perhaps, but like I said before if he had said simply that it is not part of his marketing campaign at this time and there are no plans to review the marketing plan; then he would be fine.<br /> <br /> He didn't say that.  He went out of his way to make a point that he would not show gay people in his ads due to some principle or other.  Therefore, making it potentially offensive to peopel who do not share his principles.  <br /> <br /> Basically he stepped on a proverbial rake in the yard, and it sprung up and wacked him in the face.  Like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.        ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6106440.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Perhaps, but like I said before if he had said simply that it is not part of his marketing campaign at this time and there are no plans to review the marketing plan; then he would be fine.<br /> <br /> He didn't say that.  He went out of his way to make a point that he would not show gay people in his ads due to some principle or other.  Therefore, making it potentially offensive to peopel who do not share his principles.  <br /> <br /> Basically he stepped on a proverbial rake in the yard, and it sprung up and wacked him in the face.  Like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.        </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is why, as anyone who has anything to lose by court of public opinion, it is important to have as few principles as possible, and those you can't eschew, you hide deep within you.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like a new apology:<br /> <br /> Edit: Found YouTube link<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2Tg61KYPLqQ?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <br /> Saw it reported today, looks like it was posted on the 28th. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6106440.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/>Perhaps, but like I said before if he had said simply that it is not part of his marketing campaign at this time and there are no plans to review the marketing plan; then he would be fine.<br /> <br /> He didn't say that.  He went out of his way to make a point that he would not show gay people in his ads due to some principle or other.  Therefore, making it potentially offensive to peopel who do not share his principles.  <br /> <br /> Basically he stepped on a proverbial rake in the yard, and it sprung up and wacked him in the face.  Like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.        </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, if he'd said the same thing in a smarter way it probably wouldn't have caused this drama.  But ultimately, is that really what we want to spend our time focusing on?  Are we really going to take up the pitchforks every time someone uses poor phrasing on sensitive issue?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d38e16dfe697900d81ed6f1fd4bb77e7.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6107266.page"><b>d-usa wrote:</b></a><br/>Looks like a new apology:<br /> <br /> Edit: Found YouTube link<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2Tg61KYPLqQ?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <br /> Saw it reported today, looks like it was posted on the 28th. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> To quote myself<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e4d765731f8e7314c30883118d84d5de.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098885.page"><b>Grimtuff wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> I believe homosexuals are deserving of their rights, being equal and all that. They are just as much of a human being as anyone on Earth. <br />  <br /> But I'm getting tired of this media witch hunt that goes on every time some CEO or company voices their opinion about homosexuals. It's their opinion. Deal with it. You can bully them into "apologizing" and backtracking while gritting their teeth, but it doesn't do anything to help homosexuals in any way, and it's not even an honest apology or realization. What this witch hunt does, is reinforce the animosity any homophobe holds against homosexuals, reinforcing their ignorant belief's and just ultimately sweeping the issue under a big rug. Beating on the big guy because he doesn't like gays won't make him learn to love them. <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/934fe4f0c85983a716e6680a72065e99.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The media witch-hunt rolls on...  <img src="/s/i/a/813fd55ae283423385e2697b5fbde8c7.gif" border="0"> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In essence, you support the right of one side to say what they like, but not the right of the other side to reply.<br /> <br /> Voltaire would have approved.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6107909.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6106440.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/>Perhaps, but like I said before if he had said simply that it is not part of his marketing campaign at this time and there are no plans to review the marketing plan; then he would be fine.<br /> <br /> He didn't say that.  He went out of his way to make a point that he would not show gay people in his ads due to some principle or other.  Therefore, making it potentially offensive to peopel who do not share his principles.  <br /> <br /> Basically he stepped on a proverbial rake in the yard, and it sprung up and wacked him in the face.  Like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.        </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, if he'd said the same thing in a smarter way it probably wouldn't have caused this drama.  But ultimately, is that really what we want to spend our time focusing on?  Are we really going to take up the pitchforks every time someone uses poor phrasing on sensitive issue?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sadly, we do.<br /> <br /> The reason is simple.  If it isn't challenged and brought to light, such casual bigotry becomes institutionalized.  People need to know and be punished when they cross the line.  In the end, the guy is only be shamed and nothing more will really come of it.  <br /> <br /> As far as hiding your deep principles, there is a reason it is considered bad form to talk politics and religion in polite company.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Indeed.  What kind of monster wants to live in a world where Italian pasta makers can choose the manner in which they advertise their product?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Again, if he had phrasse dit that way their would be no problem, but he mad eit clear that it wasn't a marketing choice but a personal choice made by the leader of a company; and a choice bot based on business needs.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6108920.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/>Again, if he had phrasse dit that way their would be no problem, but he mad eit clear that it wasn't a marketing choice but a personal choice made by the leader of a company; and a choice bot based on business needs.  </div></blockquote><br /> So someone, in your world, isn't allowed to say, "While I have nothing against gay people, and wish them all the best, I simply feel that there's a traditional definition of marriage that I believe in," without being a bigot?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109038.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> You're right in one thing: it's simple discrimination law.<br /> <br /> Find me the law regarding discrimination against fictional individuals, and you've got a knockout case with this guy.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for you, he didn't say he wouldn't hire gay individuals.  He didn't even say he wouldn't hire married gay individuals.<br /> <br /> He said he wouldn't use fictional examples of married gay individuals in his advertisements.  Somehow, I don't think that one's going to the Italian version of the Supreme Court.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Let's see...<br /> <br /> He won't use gay couples to advertise his stuff.  Meh.<br /> <br /> Supports gay marriage.  Good for him.<br /> <br /> But doesn't support gays being able to adopt.  Oh?  Why's that?  Because the usual answer is generally some bullgak.<br /> <br /> That's unfortunate.  Not really crusade worthy in my eyes, but as a CIS heterosexual caucasian male, I'm practically One Of The Oppressors, so I'll have to run this past my Gay Friends if they can tear themselves away from the Liberal Gay Agenda they keep ranting about being near completion.  You guys should be worried, there's supposed to be glitter <i>everywhere</i>.  It's going to take years to clean up.<br /> <br /> Personally, yeah, I wasn't a consumer of theirs before and all else being equal, it pretty much cements my never becoming one in the future.  However, Bertolli's ad is adorable, and I'll definitely keep an eye out for their stuff during the next grocery run.<br /> <br /> I'm glad we had this little thread.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109101.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109038.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Find me the law regarding discrimination against fictional individuals.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for you, he didn't say he wouldn't hire gay individuals.   </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This isn't about legalit, it is about social mores.  <br /> <br /> Plus, we all know that "Fictional" things cna have an effect on "real" things.  Look at the case for Austerity as an example.  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">   ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109278.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/>This isn't about legalit, it is about social mores.    </div></blockquote><br /> I would go back and read the post I responded to, which specifically referenced discrimination law.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>As far as hiding your deep principles, there is a reason it is considered bad form to talk politics and religion in polite company. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well someone need to tell the interviewer this. He needs to go to a media class and prepare for interviews better. <br /> <br /> The views he expressed are completely normal marketing strategies, unless you have a specifically gay product, you don't market directly to them in mass media, you potentially alienate your other customers. You can do targeted marketing, but today with the internet that ad is going to be seen and go viral, and you will have wackos like westboro bringing it to the attention of every right wing group out there. Its a land mine better left untouched, unless that is the only market you are going after.<br /> <br /> But you don't say it like that in public either.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>However, Bertolli's ad is adorable, and I'll definitely keep an eye out for their stuff during the next grocery run.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Good luck with that. The specific product featured in the ad is something as a hetero I wouldn't touch and I'm pretty sure my gay friends wouldn't either. The stuff is radioactive and could be seen as a plot to exterminate any market it targets.<br /> <br /> Bertolli Meat Lasagna Rustica<br /> Nutrition Facts<br /> Serving Size	1/2 package<br /> Amount Per Serving<br /> Calories	520<br /> Calories from Fat	280<br /> <br /> <b>Total Fat 	                       31.0 g 	48 %</b> <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> <br />    <b>Saturated Fat                 13.0 g        65 %</b> <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0"> <br />    Trans Fat  	                   0 g<br /> Cholesterol 	               60 mg 	20 %<br /> <b>Sodium 	                    1110 mg 	46 %</b> <img src="/s/i/a/a0063ed0e1a62441a38f6206bd3f5ad7.gif" border="0"> <br /> Total Carbohydrate 	         36 g 	12 %<br />    Dietary Fiber 	                   4 g 	16 %<br />    Sugars	                         13 g<br /> Protein 	                      25.0 g 	50 %<br /> <br /> Oh and if you are alone, lets face it, you are eating the whole package....so twice that. STAY AWAY FROM PREMADE FOOD!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109477.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/>The views he expressed are completely normal marketing strategies, unless you have a specifically gay product, you don't market directly to them in mass media, you potentially alienate your other customers.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Funny, over the last few years there've been quite a few 'non-gay' products that have marketed themselves as gay friendly.  Often happens around Pride time and/or when some other company goes a little too far with the thinness of their veil, as it were.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Good luck with that. The specific product featured in the ad is something as a hetero I wouldn't touch and I'm pretty sure my gay friends wouldn't either. The stuff is radioactive and could be seen as a plot to exterminate any market it targets.<br /> <br /> Oh and if you are alone, lets face it, you are eating the whole package....so twice that. STAY AWAY FROM PREMADE FOOD!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't know what you're going on about, but those nutritional statistics aren't that far off from a cursory googling of at least one popular pre-made lasagna in the area.  Of course it's not a good idea to consume a double portion of something pre-made (or anything), but if I want to have one in the freezer for a night when the GF and I don't feel like cooking, so be it.  The fat content is indeed a bit high, guess I'll have to peruse the rest of their line for something healthier.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div> those nutritional statistics aren't that far off from a cursory googling of at least one popular pre-made lasagna in the area.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Exactly, like I was saying STAY AWAY FRPM PREMADE FOODS. The combination of sodium and saturated fat is a monster. Yeah its OK to have a spare on in the freezer for emergencies, no big deal. There are people that eat like this every day. Combine it with a salad and some sides and its not terrible. Throw it in the oven and eat the whole thing (because you are too lazy to make sides) in front of the TV (like most people do) is going to build up quickly.<br /> <br /> When I make Lasagna, which is not too hard. I make 2 or three of them and throw the extras in the freezer for those lazy nights.<br /> <br /> <b>Calories 	370 </b>	<b>Sodium 	520 mg</b><br /> <b>Total Fat 	14 g</b> 	Potassium 	390 mg<br /> <b>Saturated 	7 g </b>	Total Carbs 	38 g<br /> Polyunsaturated 	1 g 	Dietary Fiber 	2 g<br /> Monounsaturated 	0 g 	Sugars 	4 g<br /> Trans 	0 g 	Protein 	23 g<br /> Cholesterol 	70 mg 	  	 <br /> Vitamin A 	12% 	Calcium 	43%<br /> Vitamin C 	12% 	Iron 	14%<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098915.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Because it implies that homosexuals cannot be part of a traditional family, And the the traditional family is the only right way.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Do you know what traditional means? <br /> <br /> This topic really doesn't belong on this site, you might as well make a topic that says "Bible and Christians bash homosexuals"<br /> <br /> it's Chik-Fil-A all over again.<br /> <br /> I'll eat two original chicken sandwiches for you today. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Actually its not Chik Fil A.  The only issue is whether the company specifically markets to homosexuals.  <br /> <br /> When you boil it down to that the whole thing is stupid.  The CEO should be fired for falling into this trap, or not. It depends on the shareholders. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109732.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>Actually its not Chik Fil A.  The only issue is whether the company specifically markets to homosexuals.  <br /> <br /> When you boil it down to that the whole thing is stupid.  The CEO should be fired for falling into this trap, or not. It depends on the shareholders. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Fired for having an opinion?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109101.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109038.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> You're right in one thing: it's simple discrimination law.<br /> <br /> Find me the law regarding discrimination against fictional individuals, and you've got a knockout case with this guy.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for you, he didn't say he wouldn't hire gay individuals.  He didn't even say he wouldn't hire married gay individuals.<br /> <br /> He said he wouldn't use fictional examples of married gay individuals in his advertisements.  Somehow, I don't think that one's going to the Italian version of the Supreme Court.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109756.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did.</div></blockquote><br /> Only if you massively - and I mean massively - stretch the definition of "disrespectfully" to include "actually rather respectfully."<br /> <br /> If you're going that far, though, you might as well say that discrimination is anytime someone says anything you don't like.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109756.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109101.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109038.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> You're right in one thing: it's simple discrimination law.<br /> <br /> Find me the law regarding discrimination against fictional individuals, and you've got a knockout case with this guy.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for you, he didn't say he wouldn't hire gay individuals.  He didn't even say he wouldn't hire married gay individuals.<br /> <br /> He said he wouldn't use fictional examples of married gay individuals in his advertisements.  Somehow, I don't think that one's going to the Italian version of the Supreme Court.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good thing this is the U S OF A]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Reading the post I keep thinking of this part.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> <br /> <br /> After saying he would not, he spoke at length about his belief in the “classic family”, adding however that he supported gay marriage, which is illegal in Italy, but not adoptions by gay couples.<br /> <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So basically, he said gay are OK to marry, but not adopt becouse the kids becouse what is he worried the kids might learn to be gay or is he worried the "Big Bad Gay" will harm the kid. But, I guess kid stuck in the systems is better to him, as anyone with friends that are/were wards of the court know, they all loved foster care and would hate to have a loving family. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109764.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109756.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did.</div></blockquote><br /> Only if you massively - and I mean massively - stretch the definition of "disrespectfully" to include "actually rather respectfully."<br /> <br /> If you're going that far, though, you might as well say that discrimination is anytime someone says anything you don't like.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In European discrimiation law, if you overhear a company member making a statement that you find offensive about minorities, the company can be brought before a discrimination tribunal and potentially fined an unlimited amount of money. That is exactly the situation this guy has put his company in. Of course, such a case is not guaranteed to succeed, however the principle exists.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109813.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>In European discrimiation law, if you overhear a company member making a statement that you find offensive about minorities, the company can be brought before a discrimination tribunal and potentially fined an unlimited amount of money. That is exactly the situation this guy has put his company in. Of course, such a case is not guaranteed to succeed, however the principle exists.</div></blockquote><br /> I really hope you're joking or taking liberties in describing the law. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109756.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109101.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109038.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> You're right in one thing: it's simple discrimination law.<br /> <br /> Find me the law regarding discrimination against fictional individuals, and you've got a knockout case with this guy.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for you, he didn't say he wouldn't hire gay individuals.  He didn't even say he wouldn't hire married gay individuals.<br /> <br /> He said he wouldn't use fictional examples of married gay individuals in his advertisements.  Somehow, I don't think that one's going to the Italian version of the Supreme Court.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did.</div></blockquote><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(376);'>Mmm</span>, I forgot Europe has no right to freedom of speech.  How dare someone have the same position as, you know, the Catholic Church. Indeed, off with his head!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I overheard that BMW discriminates against poor people. As we all know there are minority poor people. Therefor they have discriminated. <br /> <br /> Give me money! ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109852.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>I overheard that BMW discriminates against poor people. As we all know there are minority poor people. Therefor they have discriminated. <br /> <br /> Give me money! </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm with Frazzled, we should go to the media on how BMW hates poor people. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ To be fair, BMW hasn't actually said anything regarding poor people.<br /> <br /> Now, I've learned, if an employee of BMW were to say, "I don't believe an unemployed individual could afford a new BMW," you'd apparently have a case under European discrimination law, so long as someone found it offensive.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey I can give a $20 to a mechanic...Give me Money to make this go away!!!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What did he say that was disrespectful? Is saying you don't agree with something disrespectful? Is saying any certain group is not the main focus of your marketing disrespectful. Because that's what he says. We won't use homosexuals in our advertising because they don't depict traditional family life is not even an opinion.....its a FACT! <br /> <br /> Gay families are the epitome of non traditional. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm in a mixed race marriage.....no, its not traditional. Do I feel badly about that? Nope! Do I feel discriminated against, because chances of me ever seeing a commercial with a white husband and an Indian wife are pretty rare? Nope! Will it affect my pasta buying in the future? Probably not!  I will continue to buy whichever whole wheat pasta is the cheapest at Giant Eagle whenever I am shopping, if that is Barilla that day, good for them.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ "Traditional Marriage", eh?<br /> <br /> <img src="https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/4fad667a42542a00030018ba/attachments/biblemarriage.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks about right to me, in fact my wives and I are going out to get some pasta tonight.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/09d4225497fbc3e62b407c1d065cbd0e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109776.page"><b>pities2004 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109756.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7bae346b25e7e570a5d7c081f161c850.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109101.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b631a412ad37fd268069d028958426a2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109038.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>Not if they make that the official policy of their international company advertising.<br /> <br /> It's simple discrimination law. You can think whatever you like. You can't act on it if it is unfair discrimination.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> You're right in one thing: it's simple discrimination law.<br /> <br /> Find me the law regarding discrimination against fictional individuals, and you've got a knockout case with this guy.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately for you, he didn't say he wouldn't hire gay individuals.  He didn't even say he wouldn't hire married gay individuals.<br /> <br /> He said he wouldn't use fictional examples of married gay individuals in his advertisements.  Somehow, I don't think that one's going to the Italian version of the Supreme Court.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You are not familiar with European discrimination laws. In Europe you can be prosecuted for unfair discrimination against a minority for speaking disrespectfully about them in a business situation like this guy did.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good thing this is the U S OF A</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, but the guy is Italian and said it in Italy.  Last i checked that was still Europe.  <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109852.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>I overheard that BMW discriminates against poor people. As we all know there are minority poor people. Therefor they have discriminated. <br /> <br /> Give me money! </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> They don;t go out of their way to say they will never show poor people in their ads because they don;t beleive in their lifestyle choice.  Therefore, if the business case could be made to advertise to por people, they would.  <br /> <br /> That is very different from what the pasta guy said.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>"Traditional Marriage", eh? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not sure that 4000 year old examples really count as traditional? Hell those are pre Medieval. <br /> <br /> Besides he said traditional family. Which I'm sure sighting your examples wouldn't be any better anyway. I'm sure you would just counter it with Cain and Able.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>They don;t go out of their way to say they will never show poor people</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Neither did Pasta King. Someone with an agenda asked him a question that he wasn't prepared for. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6110734.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div>"Traditional Marriage", eh? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not sure that 4000 year old examples really count as traditional? Hell those are pre Medieval. <br /> <br /> Besides he said traditional family. Which I'm sure sighting your examples wouldn't be any better anyway. I'm sure you would just counter it with Cain and Able.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I guess I'm just a traditionalist about traditions.<br /> <br /> Surely the basis for a Traditional Family(<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(448);'>tm</span>) is a Traditional Marriage(<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(448);'>tm</span>)?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdda7ff397bbb0e7414de819d73a345e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6110761.page"><b>Forar wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6110734.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div>"Traditional Marriage", eh? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not sure that 4000 year old examples really count as traditional? Hell those are pre Medieval. <br /> <br /> Besides he said traditional family. Which I'm sure sighting your examples wouldn't be any better anyway. I'm sure you would just counter it with Cain and Able.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I guess I'm just a traditionalist about traditions.<br /> <br /> Surely the basis for a Traditional Family(<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(448);'>tm</span>) is a Traditional Marriage(<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(448);'>tm</span>)?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Probably is, but not the ones you have on your post. Not sure what you would call those besides bible history. You got anything from the last couple of centuries or is that too new for you?<br /> <br /> I guess any gay marriage that doesn't look like this <br /> <font color='red'><br /> MOD note : semi nudity ahoy! reds8n </font><br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6108865.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/>Sadly, we do.<br /> <br /> The reason is simple.  If it isn't challenged and brought to light, such casual bigotry becomes institutionalized.  People need to know and be punished when they cross the line.  In the end, the guy is only be shamed and nothing more will really come of it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There's a difference between challenging something, speaking out about it and engaging people and trying to change minds... and a faux outrage witch hunt.<br /> <br /> The former is won when people hear your point of view and get won over.  The latter is won when you get someone fired, put on leave, or issue a formal apology, and is while very gratifying for the crusaders is quite useless, ultimately.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>As far as hiding your deep principles, there is a reason it is considered bad form to talk politics and religion in polite company.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Encouraging people to just shut up really, really doesn't help encourage discussion on the issue.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/09d4225497fbc3e62b407c1d065cbd0e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6109713.page"><b>pities2004 wrote:</b></a><br/>Do you know what traditional means? <br /> <br /> This topic really doesn't belong on this site, you might as well make a topic that says "Bible and Christians bash homosexuals"<br /> <br /> it's Chik-Fil-A all over again.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It really isn't like Chik Fil A at all, as that company was directly funding anti-marriage equality organisations, and when called on it took on a weird, anti-gay marriage marketing approach to try and sell their chicken sandwiches.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6111071.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> I guess any gay marriage that doesn't look like this <br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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				<description><![CDATA[ I really wasn't making an argument there. Just pointing out that I to can use useless visual aides.<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned Marriage is Marriage and family (not necessarily blood) is family. There are legal repercussions to this idea, but I don't really make laws, so who cares. Marriage is Marriage shouldn't be all that difficult really, family is family though, well that's a legal can of worms.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Pasta Company PR Crisis</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fdda7ff397bbb0e7414de819d73a345e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6111608.page"><b>Forar wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/3780a3d5526daea62fb9a94c2f43af38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6111594.page"><b>Andrew1975 wrote:</b></a><br/>so who cares.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Gay people who want to get married do.<br /> <br /> Little statements like those found in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> about how 'yeah, I totes support gay marriage, but don't think they should be adopting' are part of the problem.  It's the veneer of the bare minimum amount of tolerance expected to be shown, but hey, let's not get crazy and treat them like <i>people</i> or anything.  They are gay after all, and we all know what THAT means.<br /> <br /> *wink wink nudge nudge*</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> See you are doing the same thing here that they are doing to the Pasta guy. I didn't say "Who cares?" about the issue, I said<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>There are legal repercussions to this idea, but I don't really make laws, so who cares.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Meaning I can care about it as much as I want, but I don't make the laws so it really doesn't matter what I think. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Little statements like those found in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> about how 'yeah, I totes support gay marriage, but don't think they should be adopting' are part of the problem.</div></blockquote><br /> What are you, the thought police! People are allowed to have opinions and think anything they want. Acting on it in a bigoted manner (which is not what happened here) is a different matter. How much of the population is on board with gay adoption? The guy should be praised for being cool with gay marriage. He is not American he is Italian, I'm not sure of how progressive their society is, but I'm going to guess its not as progressive as the US is on Gay relations. <br /> <br /> "Hey Uncle Ben's CEO, have you ever thought about using a white person on your logo?" <br /> "Ummm, no. Uncle Ben is Black"<br /> "Racist!"<br /> <br /> However I'm sure someone will point out that Uncle Ben as a logo is exploitation or racist anyway.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>Barilla(Pasta) CEO bashes Homosexual</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e4d765731f8e7314c30883118d84d5de.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098942.page"><b>Grimtuff wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/96cea106a6d01a4adda65c5117d1354d.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098928.page"><b>djones520 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/299610024af61174cd4e53dc41e4cbde.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098925.page"><b>cincydooley wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d904e524a6dbd1f94f54cb73c72b39a8.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6098915.page"><b>hotsauceman1 wrote:</b></a><br/>Because it implies that homosexuals cannot be part of a traditional family, And the the traditional family is the only right way.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Homosexuals cannot create the "traditional family unit". It's impossible. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Exactly.  They can make a family unit, no denying that.  But two men/women adopting children is not "traditional" in any sense of the word.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This.<br /> <br /> I can say pretty confidently that if you ask anyone what the traditional social construct of a "nuclear family" is, the answer will be husband and wife with 2.4 children from the majority of people.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So by your standards, a sterile straight couple who adopt or use a surrogate and egg/sperm donor are also somehow deficient in comparison to the "traditional" family unit? <br /> <br /> I love how essentially all the arguments used by "traditional family" types are essentially just reheated stuff left over from doing their tour of duty fighting for the "traditional family" against inter-racial marriages. But they're so totally not bigoted when you use them in relation to gays, that's totes different  <img src="/s/i/a/813fd55ae283423385e2697b5fbde8c7.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Interestingly, the concept of the nuclear family is a fairly modern, and indeed western, idea. The term itself is less than 100 years old.<br /> <br /> If you look at non-western cultures, the extended family is a more common social organisation.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think we've all learned something today. <br /> <br /> In Stalinist Russia, pasta boils YOU!]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Pasta Company PR Crisis</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6111349.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1206.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555039/6108865.page"><b>Easy E wrote:</b></a><br/>Sadly, we do.<br /> <br /> The reason is simple.  If it isn't challenged and brought to light, such casual bigotry becomes institutionalized.  People need to know and be punished when they cross the line.  In the end, the guy is only be shamed and nothing more will really come of it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There's a difference between challenging something, speaking out about it and engaging people and trying to change minds... and a faux outrage witch hunt.<br /> <br /> The former is won when people hear your point of view and get won over.  The latter is won when you get someone fired, put on leave, or issue a formal apology, and is while very gratifying for the crusaders is quite useless, ultimately.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Agreed.  I don't think anyone is asking for his resignation in this thread.  Just speaking for myself, I don't want him to resign either.<br /> <br /> However, I do want him to realize that he should review his policy, and acknowledge that someday there maybe a compelling business reason to add alternate lifestyles into his marketing plan.  Today might not be that day.   <br />  ]]></description>
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