daisho wrote:
Better take Medusas instead of Griffons, eventually a Manticore.
I really like IG Mech lists

If you need points ... ditch those Heavy Weapon Teams (Mortars) - although I like them too, even if most say they are crap.

Kaptain Skullstompa wrote:
um, I see no reason for the flamers, if your IG are that close their is prob something wrong, If you do want flamers, ive seen them really powerful on the chimeras, the heavy flamer, they ripped my orks a new one

 DoomMouse wrote:
I think the chimera heavy flamers are a matter of preference, it's basically a trade off between a general boost to your firepower (that the heavy bolters give you) compared with the occasional devastating template hit in the right situation.

If I were you I'd add some extra firepower to your general chimera squads in the form of heavy weapon teams - autocannons or lascannons are good!

Also those platoon command squads have a lot of potential wasted, as they can get you cheap special weapons. I'd equip them with 3 meltas:

Platoon command squad with 3 meltas in chimera = 115pts

It's a really cheap and dangerous little unit!

I'm guessing you play against a lot of infantry as I don't see many anti tank weapons?

 randomtoaster wrote:
Heavy weapons in Chimeras kinda confuse me, can a HWS fire their heavy weapons whilst still in the transport, or do they have to disembark? If the latter, won't they then have to waste a turn as they won't be able to fire after disembarking. Yeah many people i've come against bring few vehicles and as an Ork player, PKs dealt with tanks, but the Leman Russ' are there to try and make a dent in any tanks I face.

 DoomMouse wrote:
If you'd still like to run a mechanised infantry platoon I'd go for something like this:

PCS with 3 meltas in Chimera with heavy flamer 115

PIS with Grenade Launcher and Autocannon team in Chimera with heavy bolter 120
PIS with Grenade Launcher and Autocannon team in Chimera with heavy bolter 120

I think there is still room in a mechanised force for something like this as plasma vets are very expensive! These will help you cover your anti infantry niche just as well with the bonus of more chimeras and more defence (as these three cost roughly the same as two plasma vet squads).

Another great unit I like to run is the platoon command squad like this:

PCS with 3 Plasma guns in chimera with heavy bolter 150pts

This allows you to use the order 'bring it down' on their own unit, giving you re-rolls to hit with the plasmas and helping avoid any rolls of 1 and overheats.

I also would like to back up dropping the demolisher plasma sponsons, I'd just run it with no upgrades at all.

 tankboy145 wrote:
marbo to possibly pick of an enemy unit in the back field.

 randomtoaster wrote:

 tankboy145 wrote:
marbo to possibly pick of an enemy unit in the back field.

Is Marbo a good use of points? I've heard he can be really hit and miss, I know he can be pretty destructive. But being a one shot weapon, if he fails; thats a decent amount of points down the drain :/

 randomtoaster wrote:
I'm thinking of following Tankboys list, however, dropping out one of the vendettas for 2 Griffons, and somehow working in Mortars into the list. Dropping Pask, and maybe bringing in Marbo to experiment with.

Is 4 scoring units enough in objective based games?

 tybg wrote:
the goal is not to try and get as many chimeras you can on the field.

 tybg wrote:
Drop the Master of the Ordnance, he's so inaccurate he'd miss a 200 Ork strong Green Tide. Then drop the Dozer Blades, and with those points you can afford to upgrade your Vanquisher with Pask. Without him, you'll likely find your Vanquisher lacking. A single shot BS3 main cannon and a lascannon will fail you 50% of the time, Pask makes them BS4 and adds +1 strength vs vehicles so the Vanquisher becomes an anti-tank monster.

 tankboy145 wrote:

 tybg wrote:
Drop the Master of the Ordnance, he's so inaccurate he'd miss a 200 Ork strong Green Tide. Then drop the Dozer Blades, and with those points you can afford to upgrade your Vanquisher with Pask. Without him, you'll likely find your Vanquisher lacking. A single shot BS3 main cannon and a lascannon will fail you 50% of the time, Pask makes them BS4 and adds +1 strength vs vehicles so the Vanquisher becomes an anti-tank monster.

Also rerolls to wound on the monstrous creatures. But the strength bonus to vehicles and rerolls to wound monstrous creatures is only if he doesnt move, otherwise your just grabbing him for +1bs. I personally would use pask in a vanq. But a vanq without is hit or miss, as others said its only got a 50% chance to hit with both weapons. The plasma cannons as I mentioned are a bonus and add to his ap2 and high strength.

I would also drop the dozer blades for extra points.

In the army youve listed its very defensive. The mortars and MoO cannot fire as they are blast and large blast weapons if the chimera moves. The are also very lack luster heavy weapons, autocannons and lascannons would serve you better. I mean melta guns are anti tank weapons and in order to use them right you need to drive uup to your opponent and in an armored Guard army pushing forward is what the list should be doing. Mortars wont serve you right as their strength is weak and there ap is too high so in turn they will probably do nothing. You also have to wound your opponent just to try and pin the unit, but most units have high leadership or they are fearless. Its your call if you really want to use them but if your staying back plasma guns are better as they allow you to fire at a longer range. If you play defensive and you dont have an aegis line expect all your chimeras to be dead. Why is because your long range fire power is 2 russes, a vendetta, griffon and some mortars. I will tell you now mortars wont do much. The vendetta wont come in until turn 2 if not later, so your opponent will already be very close with most of his army at that point. Once your chimeras blow up your melta troops are as good as dead and will really struggle trying to move and kill the opponent.

Your list is trying to do 2 things. 1 is be a mobile mech force, 2 is its trying to be a static mech gunline. You need an aegis if your going gunline and if you are going gunline you need better heavy and mid range weapons. If you want to go mobile you are probably best of ditching the heavy weapons and what not.