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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies GW, at least not to a level worthy of a limited edition codex... bastards. Does anyone have knowledge of the Chapter having any activity in the year 40,000, and do we have any knowledge of Garvi playing a lead role in the Grey Knights? Also, since I mentioned him in the subject bar

I've read that Horus' remains were destroyed by Abaddon, I've heard that he's been preserved to be reanimated at a later time, and I've heard that some crazy necron called "the Collector" (Or something) has his body in a tomb full of crazy, cosmic, artifacts. Can anyone sort that one out? Thanks, looking forward to some good conversation.

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If you mean the "Luna Wolves", who became the Sons of Horus, who stayed loyal to Horus and betrayed the Emperor, Abbadon renamed them "The Black Legion" after the death of Horus and the recovery of his body. They are quite actively raiding, pillaging, burning and generally making a nuisance of themselves, every so often throwing a Black Crusade just for the heck of it.

edit: The sources I've seen indicated pretty clearly Horus' body was destroyed to prevent any more clones. Theory is the Trazyn the Infinite has A primarch in his collection, but we aren't sure which one, and it probably isn't Horus.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103667.page GMT Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103722.page GMT Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies

lokenlupercal wrote:
Right, I know about the Sons and the Black Legion. That's all on the wikis and in the books. But there is a group of Sons that denounce the new name and stay loyal to the Emprah. Forge World also considers them loyalist.

I think you're referring to Heresy-era stuff. There's no official lore (that I know of) for any loyalist Sons of Horus other than the ones on Istvaan III, whose fate is mostly known.

That said, it's mentioned a couple times that loyalties are uncertain during the Heresy, that space marines attached to different Expedition Fleets sometimes chose different paths than the main body of their legion. It's possible some Sons of Horus were part of different Expedition Fleets (although I seem to remember Horus saying at one point that he gathered his entire legion at Istvaan III) chose to remain loyal, and were still active in the galaxy at large. That would be trickier, as depending on the Imperial forces they encountered they could be integrated into existing Imperial formations, "quarantined", or simply shot first and questioned later.

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http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Lupercal]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103783.page GMT Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies

lokenlupercal wrote:
That's interesting. I've also found some successor chapter of the Sons of Horus that remained loyal to the emperor, as well as a crazy hybrid chapter of surviving Luna Wolves and Space Wolves, which I'll link below. But there seems to be a great deal of confusion regarding the legacy of the loyal Luna Wolves, including Loken, the greatest of their ranks (As far as loyalists go).

http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Lupercal

warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Lupercal

Well der's yer problem.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103793.page GMT Re:Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies HH novel authors into their perception of the setting, then why not the interpretations of other writers who simply happened to not write under the license? As long as, in their mind, it all adds up and sounds cool.

It's all myths and legends - so it depends on the individual reader/gamer what they make of it.

Still, I believe it is important to know where exactly a piece of fluff comes from, as we all have different opinions about the importance or validity of the various sources and how they tie into each other (or not), especially where it comes to contradictions, perceived or obvious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103811.page GMT Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies

There are no Luna Wolves yet. The Emperor, back when he and horus were chums, renamed the entire legion the Sons of Horus in honor of his favorite son. To run around calling yourself a Luna Wolf after Big E renamed you would be Heresy.

Horus then planned his turning traitor very carefully and had his entire legion present at IstvaanV and weeded out anyone he didnt think he could trust. Out of the 150,000 a small handfull survived. 5 dudes isnt enough to remake a legion or even a chapter.

The traitor primarchs geneseed is still stored by the AdMech, but unless someone makes a mistake they arent gonna bring any more Horus spawn back to life. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6103847.page GMT Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies

Exergy wrote:

lokenlupercal wrote:
Right, I know about the Sons and the Black Legion. That's all on the wikis and in the books. But there is a group of Sons that denounce the new name and stay loyal to the Emprah. Forge World also considers them loyalist.

How could it be heresy if you denounce the name of the greatest heretic in Imperial history?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6646835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6646835.page GMT Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies

Article has been deleted since it "clearly goes against 40k canon"
ie, some trigger happy army kit-bashy wanted to make a chapter and write an article to make it sound "legit".
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Loken and Iacton Cruze are the only surviving loyalists who were on the ground at Istvaan III that we know of. Others may have survived but these two are the only ones who actively feature in the HH series later on. (Audio books) they aren't trying to reform the Luna wolves either, they are however agents of Malcador the Sigillite, the regent of Terra. Along with Garro, Tylos Rubio and Macer Varren.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6646916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6646916.page GMT Re:Horus, The Wolves, The Sons, and their legacies

Lynata wrote:
Technically, if one were to incorporate the interpretations of the HH novel authors into their perception of the setting, then why not the interpretations of other writers who simply happened to not write under the license? As long as, in their mind, it all adds up and sounds cool.

It's all myths and legends - so it depends on the individual reader/gamer what they make of it.

Still, I believe it is important to know where exactly a piece of fluff comes from, as we all have different opinions about the importance or validity of the various sources and how they tie into each other (or not), especially where it comes to contradictions, perceived or obvious.

Obviously in his local FLGS or his own home he can do whatever he wants, hell say a company of Luna Wolves en route from Terra to wherever Horus was at the time got lost in the Warp and spit back out in 40000.. Or some rogue High Lord of Terra sanctions a Space Marine chapter made from old Luna Wolf Geneseed. Or the classic "we know not where we came from" but...... We look, act, and call ourselves Luna Wolves (no relation to those Luna Wolves mind you) the Blood Raven approach as its commonly called.

But I think he is asking what is the official canon, which is the Luna Wolvs are all dead.... also the whole half Luna/Space wolf hybrid nonsense wouldn't work because the Space Wolf geneseed only works on Fenris born humans, other humans turn into Wulfen (See Wolf Brothers) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6646929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555378/6646929.page GMT