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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24342421

Interesting article from BBC on the fact that world wide, drugs appear to be winning the war.


Laying my usual jokes about the Cocaine Import Association and government backed cocaine trafficking, what are your thoughts on this?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103686.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?


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 rubiksnoob wrote:
It's been lost.


The fact we both post proves that, at least. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103713.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 BaronIveagh wrote:
 rubiksnoob wrote:
It's been lost.


The fact we both post proves that, at least.



Pardon? Color me confused. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103734.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 rubiksnoob wrote:

Pardon? Color me confused.


It's easy to be confused, as you become the little red bird and fly away through singing hills and mountains of screaming plaid.


How doth the little crocodile
Improve his shining tail,
And pour the waters of the Nile
On every golden scale!

How cheerfully he seems to grin,
How neatly spreads his claws,
And welcomes little fishes in
With gently smiling jaws!



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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 rubiksnoob wrote:

Pardon? Color me confused.


It's easy to be confused, as you become the little red bird and fly away through singing hills and mountains of screaming plaid.


How doth the little crocodile
Improve his shining tail,
And pour the waters of the Nile
On every golden scale!

How cheerfully he seems to grin,
How neatly spreads his claws,
And welcomes little fishes in
With gently smiling jaws!


Yeah I'm sure that cleared it right up for his ass.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103756.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

Yeah I'm sure that cleared it right up for his ass.


Why, does no one on the internet read books anymore...?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103769.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103770.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 BaronIveagh wrote:
 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

Yeah I'm sure that cleared it right up for his ass.


Why, does no one on the internet read books anymore...?


Well most of us will have only seen the disney version of that book, so unless it was in the movie (and I can't remember if it was)...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103772.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 rubiksnoob wrote:
Clever.


Thank you, I thought the Alice reference was a nice touch, myself.


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 motyak wrote:

Well most of us will have only seen the disney version of that book, so unless it was in the movie (and I can't remember if it was)...


Actually it was. The Caterpillar says it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103775.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 motyak wrote:
 BaronIveagh wrote:
 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

Yeah I'm sure that cleared it right up for his ass.


Why, does no one on the internet read books anymore...?


Well most of us will have only seen the disney version of that book, so unless it was in the movie (and I can't remember if it was)...



It is. It's one of the poems recited by Alice. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103781.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 rubiksnoob wrote:

It is. It's one of the poems recited by Alice.


Alice fumbles it in the Disney cartoon, so the Caterpillar says it. He even makes the croc appear in his pipe smoke.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103784.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 BaronIveagh wrote:


Thank you, I thought the Alice reference was a nice touch, myself.


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 motyak wrote:

Well most of us will have only seen the disney version of that book, so unless it was in the movie (and I can't remember if it was)...


Actually it was. The Caterpillar says it.


Alice does actually. She's trying to recite a different poem, but mixes up the words. Carroll wrote it as a parody of the "How doth the little bee. . " poem. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103786.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 BaronIveagh wrote:

 motyak wrote:

Well most of us will have only seen the disney version of that book, so unless it was in the movie (and I can't remember if it was)...


Actually it was. The Caterpillar says it.


Cool, I couldn't remember (haven't seen it in years)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103790.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
Come to think of it, I really should grab the Disney classics. What a trip down memory lane that would friggin' be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103792.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 rubiksnoob wrote:
It's been lost. Hopefully those continuing to try and wage it will realize the fact.


You assume that the goal of the war on drugs is to stop the use of drugs rather than to keep "tough on crime" politicians in office, police department budgets high enough to pay for all the cool gear everyone wants, and the for-profit prisons full and profitable. Much like the war on terror having a constant war is the whole point, and "victory" is the last thing anyone involved wants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103859.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6103859.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 rubiksnoob wrote:

Alice does actually. She's trying to recite a different poem, but mixes up the words. Carroll wrote it as a parody of the "How doth the little bee. . " poem.


In the book, yes, but in the Disney cartoon, which is what he's talking about, the Caterpillar says it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6104598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6104598.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
1. Declassify minor narcotics, marijuana being the most obvious.
a.Marijuana is only a gateway drug if it is an entry point to narcotic crimes, few people will want to try heroin straight up, but will try weed.
b. As tobacco is a narcotic and is only legal because its taxed why not also tax and legalise marijuana.
c. Now you can draw the line at the stuff you need to draw the line under.

2. Hit the narcotics industry in the schools with a more advanced advertising approach.
a. And drugs advertising doesnt work because first its hypocritical, second its 'nanny state'.
b. People especially the youth doesn't want to be told not to do something illegal if it is illegal for dogmatic reasons. Marijuana can be harmful, but so can other things. The message hits deaf ears as all that comes across the the sound of legislators being killjoys. Besides taking pot in college is the stable background of many a politician and high court judge and thats common knowledge.
c. By concentrating on the things that are really bad like Crystal Meth and other nasties a new advertising approach can be followed up.

- The solution is to destroy the mystique of narcotics. Most people take drugs because of peer pressure and that occurs because its coolto do something illegal that only really illegal because governments are draconian.
Once narcotics legislation only covers really harmful stuff a chance of tack is possible.

- This is achieved by making drug use 'uncool'.
Sure pot can be cool, but krokodil?
Hit up a wall of advertising rebranding drug pushers as dickheads, yes use dill weed or similar language as the phrase in the advertising.

Imagine a new drugs ad, school pusher has done stuff, some kids are trying to encourage another kid to try. Reverse the peer pressure, have a voice over above the encouraging talk along the lines of' all the real losers are doing it', 'don't you want to be a dill weed like us', etc etc. Make drug use lampoonable to the youth of today.
Also when showing what drugs can do, don't censor the grizzlier images. You have to log in and prove you are over 18 to watch the videos on krokodil on YouTube. Show kids this stuff.
Who really wants to have their arms rot away, only people already hooked, spell that out.

I think this will do more to reduce new drug use than the nanny state approach of today, but you need both polities together. To make drug use uncool, you also have to stop being anal about it, that means legalising weed, at least to the levels of considering it the same as tobacco. Kids smoke, but not in great numbers by comparison, its expensive and has little mystique anymore. Its only marginally illegal.



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People will always find a way to do them, the issue shouldn't be in preventing the access, but rather to educate and treat the underlying issue why people use drugs in the first place.

Not to mention the taxation of more minor drugs, particularly marijuana would provide a significant source of income for the government.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105282.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 Blacksails wrote:
You just need to legalize/pseudo legalize all drugs. Portugal has seen some significant steps forward after they de-criminalized drug users and treated their addictions as disorders and gave them help.


Yep, one of the few things that we've actually done right!

Next step is the legalization of minor drugs and then we can start beating the Dutch on their own game! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105330.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105343.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
We should use that as an example. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6105464.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
Johnson started the War on Poverty ... 49 years later, still a lot of poor people
Nixon started the War on Drugs ... 42 years later, still a LOT of drugs
Bush started the War on Terror ... 12 years later, there's still a lot of terror

Declare war on something tangible, something you can kill? Whole different story ...

Civil War ... 4 years
World War I ... 1 year
World War II ... 4 years

Now granted those are US times, not to disrespect or down play the amount of time the British or French had to deal with the Germans ... you get the idea.

In the worlds of Arnold, "If it bleeds we can kill it" ... drugs, poverty, terrorism doesn't bleed. You can stop it in one place but it's fluid and is going to pop up somewhere else. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6107841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6107841.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs? We need to delare war on drug users.
*Puts on Tinfoil Hat*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108000.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Well drug users bleed.
We need to delare war on drug users.
*Puts on Tinfoil Hat*


No don't you see? You're fighting the wrong enemy!

We need to declare war on bleeding!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108024.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 Kiwi461 wrote:
In the worlds of Arnold, "If it bleeds we can kill it" ... drugs, poverty, terrorism doesn't bleed. You can stop it in one place but it's fluid and is going to pop up somewhere else.


Again, this is a feature, not a bug.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108037.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108085.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108085.page GMT Losing the War on Drugs?
 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
Tired of all these wars on nouns.


So, what you're suggesting is a War on War? The potential for irony is pretty awesome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108087.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6108683.page GMT Re:Losing the War on Drugs?
 Frazzled wrote:
What war? This is purely a revenue generator at this point.


Just as the Cocaine Import Association. They get to fund all sorts of things off the US government books with Colombian Snow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6109047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555382/6109047.page GMT