http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net waac list, I do want this list to be able to handle marines of various flavors and orks (all I play against in my area)

HQ
Castellan Crowe 150
Inquisitor Coteaz 100
Elite:
Callidus Assassin 145
Vindicare Assassin 145

Troops:
10xPurifier Squad, 4xPsycannon,psybolt 300
9x Purifier Squad, 9xHalberds 234
9x Purifier Squad. 9x Halberds, psybolt 254
10x Purifier Squad, 4xIncinerator 240

Fast Attack:
10x Grey Knight Interceptor, 10xHalberd, psybolt 330
5x Interveptor, psybolt 150

Dedicated Transports:
4x Rhinos 160

Total1948
General strategy will be to use the callidus to try and scoop up a quick slay the warlord vp (since it is a very common objective) as well as to deny some various warlord traits, meanwhile the purifiers load up in rhinos while coteaz rides with the purifier squad with halberds and psybolts, while crowe rides with the purifier squad that just has halberds. Interceptors will try to keep to their name and intercept first units that come marching up the front. Vindicare will spend time trying to pop important enemy units, but in essence hes in the list for and grins. I guess I am asking what i should spend the last few points on, and any changes you would recommend (excessive halberds are in list due to my liking the aesthetics of them, but if they are utterly useless I may drop them.

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Psybolt ammo should only be taken on 10 man squads, preferably ones with minimal special weapons like your interceptors. I would still get your interceptors some special weapons and keep psybolt. It loses some oomph if you have 4 psycannons or incinerators like your purifier squads.

Crowe makes purifiers troops, which is nice, but he is not an IC and has to go it alone. Some potential uses are ageis gun user, or put him in a land raider/any transport rush him up and see what happens.

Coteaz is always a good call, maybe take a cheap henchman squad or 2 for troops and more scoring. Your desperately in need of long range anti tank, and 4 rhinos/2 assassins+ interceptors is not that hard to table.

The vindicare is a good assassin, the callidus is meh considering the cost. You could get some long ranged at. Look into some psybolt dreads or something. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555914/6115238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555914/6115238.page GMT GK units are good because they are flexible. GK units work by having above average power in the shooting phase and above average power in the assault phase as well.


GK units are not strong enough in the shooting phase to work as an "only shooting gunline" style
GK units are not strong enough in the assault phase to run across the board looking to charge something.



Generally you want you GK units to be a threat in the shooting phase and the assault phase to a wide variety of units types

Generally you do not want to spend a TON of points trying to make GK units overpoweringly good at either Shooting or Assault.



Making GK good in the shooting phase:
1) Psycannons. As Many as you can, one of the best guns in all of 40k. Great for the GK playstyle as it is good against a lot of different threats.

2) Psybolt ammo is good in Larger units. I would buy it if you are affecting 7-8 Storm bolters with it. if you are only upgrading 6 or less storm bolters, it is kinda not worth the points.



Making GK good in the Assault Phase
1) Strike Squad or Interceptors
Maybe 1 halberd on the sarge for Challenges
Maybe 1 Hammer in the unit for Damage and protection from challenges
Spending 5 pts for a model with 1 attack to get a Halberd is not worth the points.

2) Purifiers
They are great with Halberds on all models. Cheaper to buy, more attacks to benefit
Again maybe a hammer in the unit to protect it from challenges



Making GK better in both phases at the same time
DIVINATION SIGNATURE SPELL

This is such a powerful option for GK as it gives you a re-roll in the shooting and assault phases. GK units are very well equipped to take advantage of this.
Coteaz or other cheap inquisitors with the psyker upgrade are very very powerful.

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Crowe is very bad in 6th edition

In 5th edition, Mech MSU Purifiers was a strong option for an army. This type of list very nerfed hard in 6th edition. Transports are less durable, harder to assault out of, can you can;t score from inside the transport.

Crowe CAN NOT join a unit. He has to stand around alone. In 5th edition he could steal an empty transport and go on a solo mission. The changes to assaulting out of transports nerfed this option as well. Also he can lose you First Blood and Slay the Warlord all from one model standing around on his own.

in 6th edition Crowe is a 150 pt tax to take purifiers as troops. In 5th this was worth it as purifiers were very strong. In 6th edition, Strike squads are much more effective and purifiers much less so, making this 150 pt tax less worthwhile.



An alternative to Crowe is to take a Grand Master instead. He can join a unit and help them out. He can make some purifiers (or ever your Interceptors) scoring with Grand Strategy.

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The vindicare assassin is a reasonable choice. Anyone who takes a land raider against you will cry.

The Callidus assassin is simply not a good choice. I really want to like her and have played her a number of times. Simply put she does not do enough damage. She comes down, deals a few wounds to a unit with her special rule and template, and then dies to return fire. If she did more damage when she dropped, or was more likely to survive to make it into combat or if her power weapon was AP 2.....but she is not any of those things.

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Alternative idea for a list with Lots of Purifers and Transports, but does not use Crowe


HQ:

Coteaz

Grand Master with a Psycannon


Elite:

9 Purifiers, 2 psycannons, 6 halberds and a Hammer
Rhino
[Coteaz Joins this Group]

10 purifiers, 4 psycannons, 7 halberds and a Hammer
Rhino


Troops:

Strike Squad: 10 dudes, 2 psycannons, Psybolt ammo, Halberd on sarge, hammer in unit
Rhino

Strike Squad: 10 dudes, 2 psycannons, Psybolt ammo, Halberd on sarge, hammer in unit
Rhino

Henchmen: 3 Acolytes with Plasmaguns and Carapace, 6 Acolytes with Bolters and Flak, 1 Acolyte with Las pistol and Flak
Chimera
[GM CAN ride in the Chimera. He goes here]


Fast Attack

Interceptors: 10 dudes, 2 psycannons, Psybolt ammo, Halberd on Sarge, Hammer in unit.



You have a lot more psycannons so your army is now very dangerous in the shooting phase.

You have 5 transports as opposed to 4 in the original list

You have between 4-6 scoring units as opposed to only 4 in the original list.

You do lose the Vindicare assassin who is a lot of fun and a decent choice, but feel free to adjust the list to get him back in (maybe drop the psycannon on the GM and make the second purifier unit smaller)

You trade out the kinda crappy Crowe for a very powerful Grand Master who can shoot with a BS 6 psycannon or dust it up in combat as well.


Basically this list is similar to your origional one, but your untis are a lot more flexible.

You can stay back and shoot against a fighty Army (Orks, Blood Angels, Space Wolves)
You can Close in and Fight against a shooty army (Codex Space Marines, Guard or Tau if you face them)
Grand Strategy gives you a lot more flexibility in your scoring units, giving you the fast, sneaky interceptors scoring, or the powerful blocks on purifiers scoring.
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