<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1750 GK focus"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1750 GK focus GK's to make them more competitive without allies. They have ok shooting for weak models, but generally is going to get out shot. In CC however they are generally better, thanks to their anti-deamon origins and universal PW's. So I've tried to build a list here that focus's more on getting in CC and only has a little shooting.

HQ
275 - Draigo

Elite
344 - Purifier - 10 Models, Stave, 2x Psycannon, 3x Hammers, 2x Halberd, 2x Sword, Rhino

Troop
300 - Paladin - 5 Models, Banner, Sword, Halberd, 2x Hammers
55 - Solodin w/Hammer
55 - Solodin w/Hammer

Heavy Support
255 - LR Redeemer w/MM
260 - Dreadknight w/PT, HI, GS

Fast Attack
205 - Storm Raven w/TL MM & TL LC


Purifier split into SR and Rhino (Rhino 2 Psy, Hammer, Sword, Halberd). Paladin in LRR. Otherwise basic normalness.

This gives me some flexibility as to where to deploy, switching Purifier and Paladin deployment vehicle as needed depending on the enemy. Some fire to take out fast movement and flyers. Also some shooting to crack open vehicles to assault the weaklings inside. Otherwise, just let the fists (or various Nemesis weapons) do the heavy lifting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6118551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6118551.page GMT 1750 GK focus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6118662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6118662.page GMT 1750 GK focus
 Kaptain Skullstompa wrote:
I can't suggest what to take different but I would destroy this list with my orks, I'd Field like 100 shoota boyz and 45 lootas, youd be pretty dead b4 you get to me, except landraider, but I dont care about that that much


Well, the LR would get through that easily, and with the flamers would help with numbers. I would put split purifiers in there for max cleansing flame asap. With the dread taking out a some lootas in the first turn shunt would make it more difficult to take out the raven, getting the Paladins in to do damage (assuming he survives if orks go first). The Rhino would be useless here, maybe a shield to stop assaulting or shooting a unit a little later.

The solodins here would actually help, with their S5 LBlast, or wasting shots against it not going after the more threatening units. Also soak up Overwatch for the Purifiers. They would likely make back their points twice over by the end of the game.

It would be an interesting battle, but unless you run a purifier spam list that's kind of always a fair strategy against GK's, drown them in bodies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6118683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6118683.page GMT Re:1750 GK focus GK are poor at shooting, in 5th they were the best shooting army in the game (trust me my Purifier army used to love a shooting match with Guard). However 6th Ed has hurt them bad in that respect.

If you want to do combat Grey Knights my advice is still take a Psycannon on everyone that can. Triple Dreadknight should be your starting point. Then deliver by SR giving you AA but no board presence other than the Knights.

Swords are pointless on Purifiers get Halberds for only 2 points. Likewise even on Paladins Swords are pointless Halberds are the way forward with a few hammers for AP2. Only take Purifiers or Paladins don't mix and match. Purifiers will need SR support or Helldrakes will ruin your day.

Banner is not worth it unless your squad is 10men. Lascannon is an inferior weapon to an assault cannon against everything from tanks to infantry. Don't take the lascannon on the Storm Raven.

Hope this helps.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119040.page GMT 1750 GK focus
Interesting idea on having 3 dreads. Spendy for sure, but they don't all need PT and Inc.

Swords on purfier was for saving some points and have some 'cannon folder' guys. Swords help when not having a stave for termies, that's why I only have 1 though.

The banner with 5 is questionable.You do get 2 extra hammer attacks, which make up for it not having a hammer, then added other attacks and auto pass ID against Tyranid, that's still not bad for 25 points. It certainly is worth more in larger squads.

You do make some good points. Hopefully we can find a good avenue for effective points both survival and damage dealing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119068.page GMT Re:1750 GK focus
Draigo 275

5 Paladins: 2 Psycannons 315
Solodin 55
Solodin 55

Storm Raven: Psybolt, Hurricanes, AC + MM 255

Dreadknight: usual 260
Dreadknight 260
Dreadknight 260

You still have 15 points to play with. You are of course VERY low model count. But trip Dreadknights are tough with Draigo and his buddies coming in via SR the SR should dominate the skies with that load out. I'd be much happier if I could fit in another SR but that means either dropping Paladins down to the less scary Terminators or going to 1850.

Without Paladins here's a list

Grand Master: Psychotroke, Psycannon 235

5 Terminators: Psycannon 225
5 Terminators: Psycannon 225

Storm Raven 255
Storm Raven 255

Dreadknight 260
Dreadknight 260
Dreadknight: no sword 250

So that list has more Firepower but probably less CC punch and survivability.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119102.page GMT Re:1750 GK focus GK list should have strength in both the shooting and the assault phase. What makes GK so powerful is that flexibility with all of their units.


If you are up against a dedicated combat army, your GK units have mobile shooting at 24". This lets you stay well out of assault range, while putting out good firepower and backing away from the horde of combat monsters. After you wear down all of their combat units to the point where they are not effective, then you storm the middle of the board and take objectives.

If you are up against a Shooty Army your GK units have the assault power to take the fight to the enemy. You can even take a few pot shots with your guns to take out prioity targets, or run behind cover as needed.


Personally, I feel that a combat based GK army will not be able to out fight another combat based army.
Similarly, I feel that a Shooting based GK army will not be able to out shoot a shooty army.


Going all in on one option or the other will give you some bad matchups.
If you know that your metagame is all shooting armies, then your Combat Focused GK will work okay, but I think that your list will get out fought by another Combat Based list.


I think that you should include some amount of shooting power in your list, rather than going all in on combat.
simply dropping some of the save and trading them for more psycannons will give your list a lot more power in the shooting phase.
Rather than relying on the stave to carry you through a difficult combat, you can use your increased shooting power to weaken a strong combat unit to the point where it is no longer a threat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6119692.page GMT 1750 GK focus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6129835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556082/6129835.page GMT