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HQ:
Warboss- bike, attack squig, cybork, PK, shoota/skortcha (would wazzdakka or the forgeworld biker boss be better?)

Big Mek- KFF, cybork, boss pole

Troops:
20 shootas- nob, PK, boss pole

19 shootas- ( with big Mek)

6 nob bikers- painboy, cybork, 2 shoota/skortcha, 3 TL shoota, PK, 4 big choppa

Heavy:
Battle Wagon- Red Paint, Deff rolla, boarding plank, grot riggers

Battle wagon- red paint, deff rolla, boarding plank, grot riggers

Allies:
Chaos Lord- bike,MoN,sigil of corruption, gift, burning brand, PF

5 bikes- MoN, icon of despair, 2 melta guns

20 cultists

Aegis defense line- quad gun


Ok so the idea is to run the battle wagons up the center full of boys, stop, drop, and open up shop in front of enemy DZ while bikes flank on both sides of the board and then pinch in. Cultist will man quad gun and home field objective. With high toughness bikes to the left and right and battle wagons jamming down the throat I feel the enemy might be overwhelmed. I'm also thinking of adding a 3rd battle wagon with mega nobs or more shoota boys. My main problems are load outs and any other units I can take to help out. I was thinking lootaz or obliterators could give a nice fire line. What do you think? All suggestions welcome and please explain choices so I can have a clearer picture of why.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6118926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6118926.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6122216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6122216.page GMT kff and just have a nice firing platform the enemy cant ignore. Unless your using the wagons as battering rams into vehicles and such i guess thats alright.
Another thing is you lack anti tank, 2 meltas is nice but ive fluffed more than enough melta rolls that the more the better.
On that note the nobs would also be alright against rear army tanks with the str 7 choppas on the charge but again i feel you would want to target high priority targets with them.
I would maybe add havocs with Lascannons there really good and i feel the enemy may even ignore them with the amount of targets you've given him.
Looks like a fun list personally ive tried orks with chaos just for the long range tank hunting the give to protect your green skins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6122471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6122471.page GMT
Yeah I know 2 meltas is a little light on anti tank, I was thinking of covering that tho with PK on the nobz.

Also I was debating on havocs or obliterators, but that I might need to play test.

As mentioned earlier the gear on everything isn't final by no means, it was just for an idea. I'm looking to figure out the load outs and whether I should add a third battle wagon with boys or meganobz and what I should add for back field support.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6123222.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6123222.page GMT
The main problem with the list is that battlewagons don't really work. Too much AV14 annilating stuff like lances and melta out there. And when they pop, say goodbye to 50% of the crew

With regards to the biker characters, Waz is only worth it if your taking numerous troop biker units. Zadsnark may or may not be worth it - he has pros and cons verses a bikerboss that you need to consider - and is definitely worth it in lists running troop bikers. Toughness and troop Nobs vs INT power klaw.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6123267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6123267.page GMT
I do wanna keep the boarding planks tho, I too feel they will buy themselves back in points.

the battle wagons will drop their crew then go on a tank shock spree, as a gun platform for a bunch of shootas is risky.

And yeah I'll just stay with a normal warboss on a bike, no named characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6123628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6123628.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6124758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6124758.page GMT You dont need heldrakes in your chaos lists ive made out fine without them, but i only ever play my friends and we only just started adding flyers to our lists and it literally became an arms race because of it,
I always forget oblits exist ive only tested them out once and didnt like the results probably because im an idoit but my havocs have always shown great success aswell as preds with las. I dunno i think your list will be fine and im sure after a few games with it youll see exactly what you need to adjust in it to make it work.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6124775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6124775.page GMT
Havocs vs obliterators is a tough choice that's for sure lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6125736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556099/6125736.page GMT