<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? Add 2x gun drones
1x cadre fire blade
Add 2x gun drones
10x fire warriors with pulse rifles
Add shas'ui with 2 gun drones
Add devilfish with 2 gun drones

Total points = 386

For this you get

¤11 pulse rifle shots at 30",
¤16 twin linked pulse carbine shots at 18"
¤56 shots at 15" (rapid fire on the rifles, regular number of shots on the carbines). You end up getting 40 shots from the rifles due to the fire blade giving an extra shot, and another extra shot by using the ethereals storm ability.
¤72 shots when down to 9" range (half range of carbines)


To be even nastier you could give the ethereal or fire blade an xv8 body guard which has the command and control node AND the multi spectrum sensor suite AND a couple of guns drones, arming him with pulse rifles and a pulse accelerator. This increases your pulse weapon range by 6" (making rapid fire shots possible sooner) that ignores cover with rerolls on failed to hit rolls.

Adding a bodyguard would mean dropping the devilfish however, as he can't ride alongside, though as it'll save 80 points perhaps is this is just a good thing.

I realise that it's not a survivable unit, and is incredibly expensive, though could someone just check that my maths is right please?

Draw backs:

1) they have to remain stationary to get all those shots
2) cost
3) low model count]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126920.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126956.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126956.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126970.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? iirc. Additionally only pathfinders have access to the pulse accelerator drone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6126990.page GMT Re:Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? +1 Fireblade
+12 Fire Warriors
+12 Fire Warriors
(+ Black sun filters)

12 + 26 shots at 30" (12 have night fighting USR)

24 + 39 shots at 15"

36 + 52 shots at 15" if you decide to use the Ethereal ability* too.

331pts. Scoring. Stubborn*. LD10 12" Bubble. Cheaper, more bodies/wounds & over two squads. Better firepower all told. Add in EMP grenades (I'm not sold on) and it can realibly take out nearly any unit in the game (that doesn't have a 2++ re-rollable save!)... edit: Okay not quite but its still substantial firepower for a very reasonable price.

Its just delicious. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127088.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
Biovores, though... anything ap4 large blast will really upset you. This has worked well for me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127121.page GMT Re:Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? HQ slots which should be going towards a Buff Commander, and in the grand meta scheme of things you won't have anything to shoot.




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Ethereal 50
12 Fire Warriors 108
12 Fire Warriors 108
12 Fire Warriors 108
Total: 374

36 shots at 30"
108 shots at 15"
38 wounds.
And 12 points cheaper.
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Brutal Viking wrote:
Cadre fireblade is a title not a name so yes you can and yes tgey do


Not what I meant, dose the Cadre Fireblade's Volly Fire stack?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127660.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127663.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
 Krellnus wrote:
Yes it does.

Then Tau can output more firepower than any other unit in 40k.

If you have a 2000 pt game and have Farsight as allies, you can take 4 Cadre Fireblades from your primary detachments, and 2 from your allied detachments.

Have a 12 man Firewarrior team with a Shas'Ui and 2 gun drone, and have all the Fireblades take gundrones.

6 - Cadre Fireblades
11 - Firewarriors
1 - Shas'Ui
14 - Gundrones

18 Pulse Rifles + 14 Pulse Carbines = Too Much Dakka

30" range: Rifles fire 108 shots.
18" range: Rifles fire 108 shots and Carbines fire 168, Total 276
15" rande: Rifles fire 216 shots and Carbines fire 168, Total 384

This will not win you many games, but when the Ork player rolls less dice for all of his Supa Gatlers than your single Firewarrior unit, you know their jaw will drop.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127679.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
Krellnus wrote:No, ethereals and fire blades do not have access to xv8 bodyguard teams iirc. Additionally only pathfinders have access to the pulse accelerator drone.


I don't have the codex to hand, and last night is the first time that I've ever looked at it, though I seem to recall the wording being "any HQ unit including Shadowsun etc may take an XV8 Body Guard". It makes no mention of battlesuit equipped HQ only.

Also the pulse accelerator is listed as a upgrade that battlesuits can take iirc. I've double check when I get home. The codex structure is odd, I can't figure out how to cost the upgrades given to each suit - where are they listed, any idea?

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:The problem is that it takes up two valuable HQ slots which should be going towards a Buff Commander, and in the grand meta scheme of things you won't have anything to shoot.


This isn't intended to be a standalone force, just a single cog in a bigger clock. If I were to game this, I'd want pathfinders, hammerheads, more suits and a jet / ADL.

Nilok wrote:
 Krellnus wrote:
Yes it does.

Then Tau can output more firepower than any other unit in 40k.

Spoiler:
If you have a 2000 pt game and have Farsight as allies, you can take 4 Cadre Fireblades from your primary detachments, and 2 from your allied detachments.

Have a 12 man Firewarrior team with a Shas'Ui and 2 gun drone, and have all the Fireblades take gundrones.

6 - Cadre Fireblades
11 - Firewarriors
1 - Shas'Ui
14 - Gundrones

18 Pulse Rifles + 14 Pulse Carbines = Too Much Dakka

30" range: Rifles fire 108 shots.
18" range: Rifles fire 108 shots and Carbines fire 168, Total 276
15" range: Rifles fire 216 shots and Carbines fire 168, Total 384

This will not win you many games, but when the Ork player rolls less dice for all of his Supa Gatlers than your single Firewarrior unit, you know their jaw will drop.


I'm really struggling with the math here, can someone break it down for me? That sounds so incredible that it surely must be wrong, though whenever I get close to a result in working it out my head explodes...!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127843.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
 kitch102 wrote:


I don't have the codex to hand, and last night is the first time that I've ever looked at it, though I seem to recall the wording being "any HQ unit including Shadowsun etc may take an XV8 Body Guard". It makes no mention of battlesuit equipped HQ only.

Also the pulse accelerator is listed as a upgrade that battlesuits can take iirc. I've double check when I get home. The codex structure is odd, I can't figure out how to cost the upgrades given to each suit - where are they listed, any idea?



The codex specifically says "Commander" not HQ so no bodyguards for Ethereals or Fireblades.
In addition, bodyguards are a separate unit and aren't ICs so they couldn't join.
The only thing in the Codex with a Pulse Accelerator is a drone that can only be taken by pathfinders.
The wargear list is on page 95 and the entry for each unit states which things they can take from it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6127866.page GMT Re:Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
If you have 18 Pulse Rifles and you fire them at 30", you have 18 + 18*6 due to Volley Fire.
If you have 14 Pulse Carbines, you have 14*2 + 14*6 = 112.
If you have 18 Pulse Rifles in rapid fire range, 18*2 + 18*6 = 144.

30": Pulse Rifle - 126
18": Pulse Rifle - 126, Pulse Carbine - 112, Total: 238
15": Pulse Rifle - 144, Pulse Carbine - 112, Total: 256

A few more shots at max range, and a lot less shot at close range. However, throwing 256 dice in shooting will make even a Screamstar pause.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6128431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6128431.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129005.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
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 BarBoBot wrote:
That unit looks like it performs well until it runs into a thunderfire cannon or 2 or perhaps some wave serpents and it just folds like a wet paper bag.


Indeed it would. I would recommend using a Skyshield to give them a 4++ save. However, this isn't competitive, they would be something you field to be silly or in apoc to either draw fire, or remove a unit/MC a turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129172.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? lol. Skyshields also cause charging issues, if you arent a jump/jet/skimmer its hard to get up there and charge the same turn. Bikes cant even get up there at all lol (so my bikernobz would fething hate you lol)

And i'll never understand why people say wave serpents shields counter everything in cover. It has no ap. Against pathfinders it would suck, the rest of our army's armor is equal or better than the cover we are in anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129427.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please? DT test?

Are you implying bikes can't get on due to not being able to climb to upper parts of ruins?

I must be missing something]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/556571/6129734.page GMT Tau idea, can I get a sanity check please?
 Vineheart01 wrote:
the volley stacks but isnt that the rule that means you cant move for it to happen? the few times ive fielded cadre i have never been able to use that extra shot because i either need to move so i can shoot at all, or i need to gtfo because im about to get charged.


Yep, that's the one. Not a Tau player myself (DE all the way) though my bro. in law is. I just borrowed his dex to see what stuff I could find and come up with to counter my Dads Ork Battlewagon / Ghazzkull list.

However, this particular Tau player is fond of being rooted to the spot and letting others come to him, as a result I've yet to beat him since GW released their 6th ed book.

Whilst the Fire Blade's rule restricts movement, the addition of an Ethereal allows for an extra shot at all times, regardless of movement. Unfortunately these don't stack, though do go some way to adding more Dakka to a unit. I suppose that, as his opponent, I should be grateful for that!

Please don't anyone get me wrong, at no point have I thought that this couldn't be undone by unit xyz (I'm looking at you, Deffgun totting, cover grabbing Lootas) though I'm in the process of building a list built around this set up just for fun. 2 squads of FW's with AunVa in the middle chucking out Storm of Fire and Calm of Tides looks like fun, though of course costly and purely for giggles.


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