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Tempted to say feth citadel now. My Zagstruk is looking like crap because these new paints are forcing me to put so many layers on i killed the detail on him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145700.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
At least no more or less than with other paints and ranges. Some of the problem colours in the old set are much improved, some of the awesome ones are not as good. But then, given sufficient experience with them, I'm sure delinquent shades can be named in Vallejo, Reaper, P3 or whatever. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145729.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145740.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145808.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel GW's base paints.

It sounds like you haven't shaken the bottles at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6145863.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146032.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146182.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146283.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
I suggest that you make sure you paint hasn't separated/mix it as well as you can. Add a flow-aid medium and consider changing your undercoat colour. Are you using black or white?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146479.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel OP. the base layer thing is a load of crap. many "layer" paints are clumpy and opaque.


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 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
No such thing as too thin. You should still be thinning them. In fact I find them not wet enough and tend to dry on the brush too fast. Ie thicker than before. Personally I like the previous line better, more fluid.


also true. aside from a few standouts that I really love from the new range, im moving away from citadel. all in all warpaints are simply better. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146493.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146601.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
 sing your life wrote:
You need to use less paint on your brush.


Why do you say that?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146606.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
 azreal13 wrote:
 sing your life wrote:
You need to use less paint on your brush.


Why do you say that?


Becuase if you fill the brush with paint it will blob on thickly.

Also wiping off paint can sharpen up a split brush.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146619.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
 sing your life wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
 sing your life wrote:
You need to use less paint on your brush.


Why do you say that?


Becuase if you fill the brush with paint it will blob on thickly.

Also wiping off paint can sharpen up a split brush.


While your advice isn't wrong as such, the OP is having the exact opposite issue, he's finding them not thick enough. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146653.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146777.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel Cheap ones come from ball-bearings: about 6mm in diametre (roughly 1/4") steel spheres that will change your paints.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6146877.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
I got a whole bunch on Ebay fairly cheap. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6147108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6147108.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6147224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6147224.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6147265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6147265.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel lol (and curse my shaky hands, freehanding flames aint easy when you shake all the time lol)

The yellow is literally 4 layers of Averland Sunset. Yeah, 4. Good grief lol
And to the guy that suggested stripping it and trying again: its finecast. Thats why i was so ticked that it was covering detail before actually coloring the model.


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 kronicpsycho wrote:
I use to use gw paints before I started airbrushing. That and they cost 6 bucks in Australia and 3 for Vallejo. Pics of the paint?


Yeah, my group of mates have all had bad experiences using GW paints for airbrushing too. I cracked open some old GW pots a few days ago and the quality was so much better than my new ones, even though they are a few years old ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6163071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6163071.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
 azreal13 wrote:
 sing your life wrote:
You need to use less paint on your brush.


Why do you say that?


Too much paint on the brush is the only cause of pooling thats why.
Its nothing to do with the paint itself, everything to do with how much your trying to apply in one go.

That said, your paints sound not properly mixed, All of my citadel paints are too thick to use right out of the pot, and require thinning for every job except drybrushing.
And all take muiltiple layers to get coverage when thinned, doesnt matter what brand of paint you use.
Using an opaque medium can help a bit, Liquitex Ultra Matte Medium is one example. I don't think I really ever use a paint straight up without tweaking it a little with a medium or some flow aid to get the desired effect. A full set of mediums is a wonderful thing to have access to.

No problems airbrushing any of the colours I've tried so far either. Again use of the right medium is key; Liquitex Airbrush Medium, in any ratio is what I find works best with Citadels (well... any brand of acrylics tbh). 1;1 ratio ish usually.
No water, No windex, no alcohol, just medium. + paint.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6163080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6163080.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
I just wanted to add my "me too" to the above post.

If your paints are too watery then you either didn't mix/shake them properly or you got a bad batch (these things happen).

I've had no problems airbrushing Citadel acrylics before or after the changeover. Liquitex Airbrush Medium is my thinning medium of choice (both for airbrushing and brush brushing).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164310.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
Only problem here is that the paints were either A) not shaken/mixed well enough before you used them (they need a good shake as they have much more pigment than normal paints) or B) you got a bad batch, though that seems very unlikely for all the base paints you have. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164371.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel EU) / Dawn Power Dissolver(usa)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164520.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
Vineheart01 wrote:The other colors i used were older paints, i never had any bright yellow so thats where the new one came from.

*snip*

The yellow is literally 4 layers of Averland Sunset. Yeah, 4. Good grief


Well then, that's where your problem is stemming from. You'll find this with whatever brand of paint you try to use if you're painting yellow. Yellow is notoriously hard to paint so that it has a rich and saturated coverage due to it being inherently transparent in nature. Regardless of paint brand and GW's new formulations, yellow will doubtlessly remain hard to paint. For best coverage you're going to want to put down a 'warm' basecoat - something like a light brown, and build up in many thinned (Yes, thin your already thin paint) layers, to allow the yellow to be fully saturated. I have to say some of the newer paints do have a thinner coverage, such as the new Abaddon Black, but it' not a real problem as paints should be thinned in just about all cases anyway. Pooling suggests that your brush is loaded with way too much paint - you should have just enough on that you can paint a crisp, smooth line, without the brush depositing a blob at the start of it. Regarding 4 coats - well that's to be expected. Personally, when I'm painting Salamanders with GW's Warpstone Glow, I find it hard to get a full coverage using below 3 layers - so it's not suprising that you have to use 4 layers when dealing with yellow. Additionally, using a thinning medium, not just water, removes the surface tension of the paint and allows it to flow better, so adding many layers doesn't obscure detail. Of course it also depends on what primer you are using. Black is hard to cover with light colours such as yellow, whereas I find White and Grey often need multiple layers of darker colours to get full saturation - I've had to put down 2 layers of Caliban Green (Thinned) over Grey Primer just to get an opaque cover - it's really a catch 22 situation.

Vineheart wrote: curse my shaky hands


Is it possible that this is what is causing paint to cover the details? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6164650.page GMT The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel
And no my shaky hands just prevent me from doing good fine details. When the paint instantly rushes to the low-grounds of the model when i touch it, thats when i go "OK this is really thin paint..." since thats what a wash does.

Either way, i bought a yellow primer for the Stormboyz to follow this guy and its going way, way better than the gray primer did for Zagstruk. Only needing 1 coat now - only reason im not just leaving it primed for the main color is i assembled them fully like a moron first lol so theres a lot of places the spray wont hit well. Also they'd be a different shade from their boss.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6167002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6167002.page GMT Re:The "New" Base and Layer paints for Citadel http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6167221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557634/6167221.page GMT