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				<description><![CDATA[ Here's a fun 2500 point Deathwing list I cooked up to take on a friend's 30k list. He uses a land raider spam with terminators and Angron, and it's a pretty fun list to fight against. I want to match him armor for armor, so here is what I've brought to crack his tanks and blast the guy's inside.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-<br /> Azreal - 215<br /> <br /> Interrogator Chaplain w/ mace of absolution, lion's roar - 190<br /> <br /> Command squad w/ apothecary, standard of devastation, drop pod w/ deathwind missile launcher - 230<br /> <br /> Elites-<br /> Deathwing Knights x5 w/ perfidious relic of the Unforgiven - 245<br /> <br /> Venerable Dreadnought w/ multimelta, drop pod - 160<br /> <br /> Venerable Dreadnought w/ multimelta, drop pod - 160<br /> <br /> Troops-<br /> Deathwing terminators x10 w/ x4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, x2 assault cannons, x1 chain fist - 500<br /> <br /> Ravenwing attack squadron x6 w/ x2 meltaguns, meltabombs on Sgt. - 186<br /> <br /> Heavy Support-<br /> Land Raider Crusader w/ Multimelta, extra armor, dozer blade - 305<br /> <br /> Land Raider Crusader w/ Multimelta, extra armor, dozer blade - 305<br /> <br /> I figure the land raiders combo'd with the Standard of Devastation will give me enough firepower to whittle down his terminator squads, and the dreadnoughts will be enough to crack his land raiders. The only problem I foresee is he may take a spartan assault vehicle, which is immune to melta, in which case I would have to wait for him to disembark to shoot. That's Angron's ride, so I doubt anything will live long enough to assault it. However it should be a fun list to run, I am just curious what people think! Please let me know!]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Rolling out the Deathwing land raiders</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ maybe think about dropping the Int. Chap. for belial? he is a beefy guy and nullifies the need for a homing beacon on that nice 10 man squad. (adds an extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> as well) Dreads just are not what they used to be. I feel the points would be better spent on more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span>. I am baised as I love <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> though. haha. and I thought the Standard of Devastation only worked on NORMAL Bolters. not the other variants. (also, don't waste the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> assault on the command squad. just deep strike them) saves you some points. with the points saved from the dreads and Drop pod thats another Land raider or 5 man terminator squad.  Remember, your terminators can glance the Land raiders down I also suggest getting at least one normal Land raider for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Las cannon. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:30:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ raiden]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Rolling out the Deathwing land raiders</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6c92c5ee3a91b6f5a7dda446ae6fd5ac.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/558213/6156316.page"><b>raiden wrote:</b></a><br/>maybe think about dropping the Int. Chap. for belial? he is a beefy guy and nullifies the need for a homing beacon on that nice 10 man squad. (adds an extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> as well) Dreads just are not what they used to be. I feel the points would be better spent on more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span>. I am baised as I love <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> though. haha. and I thought the Standard of Devastation only worked on NORMAL Bolters. not the other variants. (also, don't waste the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> assault on the command squad. just deep strike them) saves you some points. with the points saved from the dreads and Drop pod thats another Land raider or 5 man terminator squad.  Remember, your terminators can glance the Land raiders down I also suggest getting at least one normal Land raider for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Las cannon. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says that the Banner applies to all boltgun weapons, including combi-bolters and hurricane bolters. Also, I should point out that the command squad is a regular company command squad, not a deathwing one. And I absolutely hate Belial. Its a personal thing, but I just think he is the most dull and un-interesting choice in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> codex. Besides, accurate deepstrike is what the ravenwing are there for. Lastly, the hate against dreads is mostly unfounded in my opinion. I've never had a problem with regular dreads in 6th, however many times people laugh at me for taking them. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:38:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Rolling out the Deathwing land raiders</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If you want to match him armour for armour<br /> take all deathwing with about 6 land raiders and a few dreadnoughts<br /> Fluffy and funny because youll have like 120+ twin linked bolters.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:46:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jpat1213]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Rolling out the Deathwing land raiders</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/558213/6156355.page"><b>Jpat1213 wrote:</b></a><br/>If you want to match him armour for armour<br /> take all deathwing with about 6 land raiders and a few dreadnoughts<br /> Fluffy and funny because youll have like 120+ twin linked bolters.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Funny, but too many points for the games we play.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:00:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ its not that dreads are bad, just there are other options that I feel would be more fluffy and/or more effective. <br /> <br /> and ah, its a normal command squad, my bad. <br /> <br /> I like belial, why so much hate on him? <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> are never that great compared to others though <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>. excluding Ezekiel. I just feel (maybe a lack on fluff insight on my part) that other chapters <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> have more background behind them. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:08:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ raiden]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Rolling out the Deathwing land raiders</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6c92c5ee3a91b6f5a7dda446ae6fd5ac.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/558213/6156387.page"><b>raiden wrote:</b></a><br/>its not that dreads are bad, just there are other options that I feel would be more fluffy and/or more effective. <br /> <br /> and ah, its a normal command squad, my bad. <br /> <br /> I like belial, why so much hate on him? <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> are never that great compared to others though <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>. excluding Ezekiel. I just feel (maybe a lack on fluff insight on my part) that other chapters <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> have more background behind them. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No worries, I should have specified!<br /> As for Belial, I just dislike how generic he is. He didn't have to be killy like Logan Grimnar or flawless like Calgar. There's actually an awesome story in the Dex about how he gets royally messed up by an ork Warboss and almost dies. I just hate his rules, they lack personality. He precision hits on a 5+, and makes terminators deep strike accurately. Yawn. Then look at any of the Space Wolf <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQs</span> and how awesome and unique they are, or the variety the Codex marines or Grey Knights have with their special characters. He just makes me wish that taking any Character in terminator armor unlocked deathwing as troops, which would be cool, akin to how bike captains make 5+ man bike squads troops for C: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>. <br /> Like I said, it's a personal thing, and I do run him frequently, but I prefer Azreal to Belial most times. Plus I love running terminator chaplains for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span>, it feels so right.<br /> ]]></description>
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