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				<title>1500 point Raven Guard competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ 1500 Pts - Codex: Space Marines Roster<br /> <br /> Total Roster Cost: 1500<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Chapter Master (1#, 235 pts)<br />    1 Chapter Master,  Storm Shield, Jump Pack,  Artificer Armour <br />       1 The Burning Blade, <br /> <br /> Troops: Scout Squad (6#, 105 pts)<br />    4 Scout Squad, 44 pts = 4 * 11<br />       1 Sergeant,  Melta Bombs <br />       1 Land Speeder Storm,<br /> <br /> Troops: Scout Squad (6#, 105 pts)<br />    4 Scout Squad, <br />       1 Sergeant, Melta Bombs<br />       1 Land Speeder Storm, <br /> <br /> Troops: Tactical Squad (5#, 90 pts)<br />    4 Tactical Squad,  Lascannon <br />       1 Sergeant, <br /> <br /> Troops: Tactical Squad (5#, 90 pts)<br />    4 Tactical Squad,  Lascannon <br />       1 Sergeant, <br /> <br /> Troops: Tactical Squad (5#, 90 pts)<br />    4 Tactical Squad,  Lascannon <br />       1 Sergeant, <br /> <br /> Troops: Tactical Squad (5#, 90 pts)<br />    4 Tactical Squad,  Lascannon<br />       1 Sergeant, <br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Vindicator (1#, 140 pts)<br />    1 Vindicator,  Siege Shield  Storm Bolter <br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (5#, 110 pts)<br />    4 Devastator Squad, Heavy Bolter x4<br />       1 Sergeant, <br /> <br /> Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (5#, 130 pts)<br />    4 Devastator Squad,  Plasma Cannon x4 <br />       1 Sergeant, <br /> <br /> Fast Attack: Assault Squad (10#, 210 pts)<br />    9 Assault Squad, Sergeant,  Power Sword x1 Upgrade to Veteran Sergeant  Grav-pistol <br /> <br /> Fort: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> w/ Quad gun 100pnts<br /> <br /> this is the Raven Guard list I have been using since the codex dropped. It has 3 games under its belt and has not lost. What do you guys think? Basic idea is set the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> a little further than my deploy ment zone and the redeploy everything further up. Since it is a redeployment and not actual movement my heavy weapons can still fire normally 1st turn. I out flank the vindicator and both scout squads.. The assault marines hold back and let the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span> blast somethingand act as assault deterrent and ablative wounds. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Guess people are tired of seeing space marine army lists <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:17:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Khorvahn]]></author>
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				<title>1500 point Raven Guard competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If the vindicator is outflanking it doesn't need the upgrades. If you also drop the grav pistol on the assault sarge you can upgrade the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>ss</span> on your chap master to a much needed shield eternal. You do not want a model costing that many points that can be easily insta gibbed by st8.<br /> You have a lot of nice firepower and until the speeders and vindi comes on your opponents <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> is limited to shooting only marines which is good as it dilutes their impact.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:12:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Poly Ranger]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 point Raven Guard competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ How exactly do you outflank the Vindicator?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:28:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ spartiatis]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Im guessing they get scout with raven guard <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(436);'>CT</span>? Don't have my dex on me so can't check if vehicles get it. Need to check that when i get back if no-one comments otherwise because that could be lethal!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:49:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Poly Ranger]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yea raven guard chapter tactics gives my entire primary detachment the scout <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(136);'>USR</span> except for bulky and very bulky models. <br /> <br /> I wish it were legal to have the burning blade and shield eternal on my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span>. I did a cool custom model like this and ran him like that before I really read the codex. My gaming group will still let me do it no problem but if I went to a tournament it would be a no go. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 26 Oct 2013 00:49:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Khorvahn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The special rules given through Chapter Tactics only affect units with the Chapter Tactics special rule. (The exception being the Iron Hands Machine Empathy tactic) As such you cannot outflank with the vindicator.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 26 Oct 2013 01:00:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ stargasm]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why can you not have shield eternal and burning blade? As far as I remember you are only allowed one of each relic, there is no limit on the amount of relics a character can have. I may be wrong though, on holiday <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span> so cannot check.<br /> <br /> And thanks for clearing that up stargasm!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 26 Oct 2013 01:31:38]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Poly Ranger]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Gotcha that sucks that I can't outflank my tanks :(  <br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span> entry says he can replace one weapon with a relic Not both...also I know army builder isn't always right but it's where I build my lists and that is how they interrperete the rule as well]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:14:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Khorvahn]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 point Raven Guard competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You replace the bolt pistol with shield eternal]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:48:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rupertrampton]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ But you can only replace ONE weapon with a relic. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 27 Oct 2013 04:36:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Khorvahn]]></author>
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				<title>1500 point Raven Guard competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Here's my idea of a competitive Ravenguard list: <br /> 210 Chaptermaster w/ Thunderhammer, Shield Eternal<br /> 225 (5) Assault w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 185 (5) Sternguard w/ 2 Meltaguns, Combi-melta Droppod<br /> 200 (10) Tactical Marines w/ Gravgun, Combi-Grav, Rhino<br /> 200 (10) Tactical Marines w/ Gravgun, Combi-Grav, Rhino<br /> 200 (10) Tactical Marines w/ Gravgun, Combi-Grav, Rhino<br /> 205 Stormraven w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Multimelta,  Extra armor<br /> 70 Aegis w/ Comms Relay<br /> <br /> The Rhinos scout move behind the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> at the middle of the board for a 3+ cover save first turn and a 4+ thereafter.  The scout move means I can shoot 6" inches into the opponent's deployment zone first turn without moving; so I can get the full range and volume of fire with the Grav guns.<br /> <br /> The Comms Relay doubles the chance of the Stormraven with the Terminators and the Chapter Master coming in when I need it to.  <br /> <br /> Combos = competitive.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 27 Oct 2013 15:39:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Madness!]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yea no out flanking Vindicator it only will affect dedicated transports (excluding any terminator <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRS</span>) Also currently you can replace each weapon option with a relic until they <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>Faq</span> it, so you could use the Shield of Eternal but not going to knock you for  not out of a sportsmanship stand point. but interesting list I can see it giving armies the scare]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:43:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Severoth "Shadow Blade"]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i think you should take off 2 tactical squads and add 2 assault squads and take off the vindicator and add a predator]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ blood ravens addiction]]></author>
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