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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey guys I've got about 15 matches under my belt now, so I'm starting to realize which units suck, and which are good from my dark angel codex.  Here is my attempt to bring a bit of competitiveness to my list, let me know how you guys think it would work.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Sammael on jetbike<br /> <br />         Librarian in terminator armor<br /> <br /> Elite: <br />          8x Deathwing knights in a land raider with multi-melta<br />          8x Deathwing Knights<br /> Troop:<br />          6x Ravenwing Attack squadron 2x meltagun 1xattack bike with multimelta<br />          6x Ravenwing attack squadron 2x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta<br />          4x Ravenwing attack squadron 1x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta<br /> <br /> The idea would be that one squad of DWK sticks with the librarian who can prescience them the entire game, while the other is in the land raider.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Oct 2013 03:15:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Niexist]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ hmm<br /> I think you would be better off w/ w 3  5 man units of DWK if possible. I also suggest dropping the attack bikes and replacing the plasma guns w/ meltas, (wait, what points <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> is this?) I am not sure prescience works on melee attacks, but I may be wrong. also, the best <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> are black knights <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> if you drop the meltas you can fill out your squads to 6 each w/ melta guns. I would suggest droping the lib and taking a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> command squad with banner of devastation to give your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolters from the&nbsp;bikes that double hitting power. or, banner of fortitude and keep them with your DWK for 5+ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span> on the T5 units <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Oct 2013 03:58:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ raiden]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Would this dualwing list be competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ This would be at 2000 points with 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>FOC</span>, 3 of the DWK may be better, because whatever they manage to get into assualt with usually dies terribly quickly, so 8 of them may be overkill.  Let's say I did this.  Also prescience should work on melee attacks, I see nothing that says it shouldn't.  Also, why do you think I should drop the attack bike, to me they're the best unit in the squad points/production-wise, not to mention they can break off from the rest of the ravenwing to be another scoring unit.   I also like to keep the plasma because of rapid fire S7.  What do you think about this Raiden?<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: Sammael<br />         Librarian in terminator armor<br />         4x Ravenwing Command Squad 1x grenade launcher, 1x ravenwing champion, 1x dakka banner<br /> <br /> Elite: 6x deathwing knight in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> with multi melta<br />           5x deathwing knight<br /> <br /> Troop: 6x Ravenwing Attack squadron 2x meltagun 1xattack bike with multimelta<br />             6x Ravenwing attack squadron 2x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta<br />             4x Ravenwing attack squadron 1x plasmagun 1x attack bike with multimelta <br /> <br /> 2k points exactly.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Oct 2013 04:17:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Niexist]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Second list is better but never take plasma in a RAS. Ever. Look at the points for a black knight then the points for a plasma gunner in an RAS. Then look at their rules.... yeah. I like RAS with melta when you are using the Dakka banner for sure, but plasma is just a waste on regular bikers. And I'd be tempted if I were you to put the banner on a terminator command squad, drop them in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> with the libby, then flank the tank with your full RAS squads. I don't know how many twin linked shots that is (Bolter banner affects hurricane bolters as well) but I think it counts as 'a lot'. <br /> <br /> Don't have my book with me but I'd say drop the 2nd elite knight squad for a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> command squad with the libby and the banner. Put them in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>. Give sam a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> command squad. Doesn't really need a banner or a champion just the grenade launcher. Two maxed out RAS all melta. Then just add however many deepstrike DWK you have points left for. My 2c<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Oct 2013 04:28:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Silverthorne]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Would this dualwing list be competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Unfortunately they <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>'ed it so that a command squad inside a vehicle does not benefit units outside the vehicle, so that tactic doesn't work quite so well.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:   4x RWCS with grenade launcher, and dakka banner<br />           Librarian in termie armor w meltabomb<br />           Sammael on jetbike<br /> Elite: 5x Deathwing knights<br />           6x Deathwing knights in a land raider crusader w/ multi melta<br /> Troop:<br />           6x RWAS 1x attack bike w/ multimelta 2x meltagun serg with meltabomb<br />           6x RWAS 1x attack bike w/ multimelta 2x meltagun serg with meltabomb<br />           4x RWAS 1x attack bike w/ multimelta 1x meltagun serg with meltabomb]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Oct 2013 04:38:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Niexist]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ drop 1 DWK and up your RWCS to 5. also, give them an apothecary, its totally worth the points. 1 5+ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span> and boom you made 12 points back. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> and at T5 you will be getting <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FnP</span> on most everything]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Oct 2013 04:57:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ raiden]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Would this dualwing list be competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ That <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faq</span> only hit the power field generator, far as I know, bolter banner still works fine.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:34:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ WingEnvy]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Would this dualwing list be competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ What about <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> banner, can a land raider be a mobile <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> base for a deathwing army?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:23:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Niexist]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Its either the dakka banner or the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FnP</span> banner unfortunately]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:25:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ raiden]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Would this dualwing list be competitive?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well, let's say I put a deathwing command squad in a land raider.  does everything in 12 inches of the hull of the land raider have feel no pain?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:37:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Niexist]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i think it ll be a tough army to beat. I run a similar terminator plasma heavy list with space wolves.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 3 Nov 2013 19:11:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rupertrampton]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ For aoe effects you measure from the hull of the vehicle.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:22:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ raiden]]></author>
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