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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Warboss = 155<br /> &gt;Attack Squig<br /> &gt;Bosspole<br /> &gt;Cybork Body<br /> &gt;Warbike<br /> &gt;PK<br /> &gt;WARLORD<br /> <br /> Old Zogwort = 145<br /> <br /> <br /> ELITE<br /> 10x Lootas = 150<br /> <br /> 10x Lootas = 150<br /> <br /> <br /> TROOPS<br /> 10x NOB Bikers = 660<br /> &gt;Painboy<br /> &gt;Cybork Bodies<br /> &gt;4x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> &gt;5x Big Choppa<br /> &gt;Grot Orderly<br /> <br /> 30x Boyz = 220<br /> &gt;1x Nob<br /> &gt;Bosspole<br /> &gt;PK<br /> <br /> 30x Boyz = 220<br /> &gt;1x Nob<br /> &gt;Bosspole<br /> &gt;PK<br /> <br /> <br /> FASTATTACK<br /> 5x Deffkoptas<br /> 5x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Rokkit Launcha<br /> 3x fBuzzsaw<br /> <br /> <br /> So tell me what you think  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"><font color='green'></font>]]></description>
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				<title>Re:2000pt 40k Orks</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I absolutely love this list! But, there is a question here; is this friendly or competitive? If it is competitive (for a tournament, for example), drop Old Zogwort and take a Big Mek with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> and other goodies if you feel like it, or a Weirdboy Warphead if you want the psychic randomness that is Orks! Zogwort is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 0, so he won't be able to shoot half of his psychic powers, including his special. But, if this is a friendly game, and your opponent agrees to it, by all means, have Old Zogwort be <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 1 or even the standard Orky 2 if he/she is feeling really generous. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> i would swap old zogwart for another 10 man....ork squad of lootas for more dakka and have the deffcopters in bigger units for the rokkets because they dont hit as well as shootas.<br /> <br /> otherwise a very fun list with alot of dakka!<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:27:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ buzzsaws are kinda poop nowadays. but that's all pref.<br /> old zog could be used for something more useful. squads of 7 or 9 mans are the best but that's also pref <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>. and 4pks is a little overkill on some stuff. i say 2pks and the boss or 1pk and the boss. doing this leaves you with say 200pts to throw around for more useful units.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:36:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So what im getting is that for the most part old Zogwort is really a waste of pts. at least for the most part.<br /> but other then the overkill of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>'s not a bad list]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:09:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560449/6201362.page"><b>th0r_is_g0d@yahoo.com wrote:</b></a><br/>So what im getting is that for the most part old Zogwort is really a waste of pts. at least for the most part.<br /> but other then the overkill of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>'s not a bad list</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You are correct. Im competitive over fluff. So if you were going for old zog as a fun deal than thats up too you!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:14:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Aye its not a bad list i would only make two changes<br /> Swap old Zog for another Warboss on a bike and split the Nob bikers into two groups of 5 ..1Pk, 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(718);'>PB</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(279);'>WB</span> (each)<br /> I would also split the foot sloggers into 3 groups of 20 .<br /> and now you have 3 objective campers and two death stars <br /> oh yea and the Buzzsaws are really over priced big choppas now for their effect..Big Bombs are more fun ..]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay so I looked into everything everyone said and I made a few Changes to kind of go with what I was looking for <br /> <br /> Warboss / Warlord = 155<br /> Warbike<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(596);'>CB</span><br /> Attack Squid<br /> Bosspole<br /> <br /> Warboss = 155<br /> Warbike<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(596);'>CB</span><br /> Attack Squid<br /> Bosspole<br /> <br /> Lootas x 10 = 150<br /> <br /> Lootas x 10 = 150<br /> <br /> 5x Nob Bikers as Troops = 390<br /> 1x Painboy (so 6 total)<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span><br /> Grot Orderly<br /> <br /> 5x Nob Bikers as Troops = 390<br /> 1x Painboy (so 6 total)<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(389);'>BC</span><br /> Grot Orderly<br /> <br /> 20x Boys = 176<br /> 2x Big Shootas<br /> 1x Nob (so 21 total)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> Bosspole<br /> <br /> 20x Boys = 176<br /> 2x Big Shootas<br /> 1x Nob (so 21 total)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> Bosspole<br /> <br /> 20x Boys = 171<br /> 1x Nob (so 21 total)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> Bosspole<br /> HeavyArmor (Just cause)<br /> <br /> Big Gun Kannon = 29<br /> 3x Extra crew<br /> <br /> Big Gun Kannon = 29<br /> 3x Extra crew<br /> <br /> Big Gun Kannon = 29<br /> 3x Extra crew<br /> <br /> I figured the kannons would help cause confusion while the deathstars creams the guy and the boyz hold ground<br /> For a total of 2000pts and 107 models]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 31 Oct 2013 00:40:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you have as solid a list as one could want..]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:03:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm not sure two units of Nob bikers are needed, but I'm hardly an expert in using them.<br /> <br /> Kannons have HUGE leadership issues. I recommend Lobbas because they can hide and so never have to take morale tests. Might be worth grabbing that Runtherd for them if you stick with Kannons though<br /> <br /> Nobs, especially <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> nobs, aren't really all that great in boys blobs. Better to just buy more boys in my opinion.<br /> <br /> Lootas generally better in more squads of less dudes - 7/7/6 vs 10/10 would be more effective due to more reliable shots and being able to split your fire.<br /> <br /> Overall though, solid list, could become "tourney tier" solid, at least as close to that as Orks get, with a few changes.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:26:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ well ima keep tweakin it I may try my hand in the little hometown tourni next weekend ill let you know how we do Thanks all for the input<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:30:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 2 war bosses on bikes<br /> <br /> 45 lootas<br /> <br /> ~130 boyz, 4 squads of 30, one of ten, nobs with Claws, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>bp</span> in these, all shoota boyz<br /> <br /> This is my ultra competitive list, haven't lost with it yet, idk if this is what you want but here it is ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Kaptain Skullstompa]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So the list I've been posting was an epic fail.  <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0">  But that's whatever I have been updating and found something that seems to be working.<br /> <br /> Warboss  155 <br /> Warbike<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(596);'>CB</span><br /> Attack Squig<br /> <br /> Biker Nobs  495<br /> 6x Nobs<br /> 1x Painboy<br /> 3x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> Bosspole<br /> Waaagh Banner<br /> 3x Big Choppas<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(596);'>CB</span>'s<br /> <br /> 8x Lootas  120<br /> <br /> 27x Shoota Boyz  235<br /> 2x Big Shoota Boyz<br /> 1x Nob<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> 'Eavy Armour<br /> <br /> 27x Shoota Boyz  235<br /> 2x Big Shoota Boyz<br /> 1x Nob<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> 'Eavy Armour<br /> <br /> 27x Shoota Boyz  235<br /> 2x Big Shoota Boyz<br /> 1x Nob<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> 'Eavy Armour<br /> <br /> 10 Gretchin  40<br /> Runthed<br /> <br /> Aegis Defense Line  100<br /> Quad-Gun<br /> <br /> Looted Wagon  125<br /> Boomgun<br /> 2x Bigshoota<br /> Ard Case<br /> <br /> Dakkajet  135<br /> 3x Supashoota<br /> Red Paint<br /> Flyboss<br /> <br /> 1875pt outta 2000<br />  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"><br /> where do I spend the other points im torn between a 2nd Looted Wagon and a squad of Lootas]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:28:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ th0r_is_g0d@yahoo.com]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm guessing you felt it was an epic fail due to lack of fliers. Bring along 2-3 Dakkajets or Flakka Trucks (from <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(7);'>apoc</span> 2). I say dakka jets over <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> but whatever works for you. And don't sacrifice your lootas. Lootas are the scary unit all your opponents want to kill early. <br /> <br /> I'm personally not a fan of big shootas. I feel their wasted on boyz, bc if you're not in 18 inch range then you should be running, not sitting back so you can take a few shots. <br /> <br /> Looted wagon isn't really a competitive choice, more of a fun one.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Groovyguye]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I believe it was a epic fail cause I was wiped off the table 10 times in a row by 10 different armys<br /> but that's the past ne who I don't wanna get rid of my lootas I am thinking of adding more<br /> and as for the big shootas I may drop them too get more pts to spend of more lootas <br /> <br /> I guess Im just trying to figure if I should add more lootas or another wagon]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't mean to echo Dakkamite but I will add the point about lootas if you have the Elite slots available.  Go 5 and 5 instead of 8 or 9 and 9 if you want more dakka and have points.  It makes the shooting more consistent.  You can also gain advantages in good shooting like popping a transport with one group and shooting the models inside with the other or even popping two transports.<br /> <br /> I don't remember the loadout options on the Looted Wagon off the top of my head but if you can get bye with just one or zero big shootas you might as well.  Yes it's nice if they roll a pen result to have an extra weapon for weapon destroyed results but it's paying for a minimal defensive upgrade <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>.<br /> <br /> The last list you posted looks like what I'm sure the internet would consider a nicer list.<br /> <br /> EDIT;  I would look at other heavy support options besides the looted wagon.  The boomgun has a very specific niche roll of firing at a horde T4 models that have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FnP</span> or multiple wounds and a 3+ Armor save.  Any other situation there almost has to be a better weapon.  If you just wanted a template for hordes you might consider more lootas or another dakkajet because that might be more reliable.. If you want them for doubling out T4 models then you might consider Kannonz, if you don't like the Kannons tendancy to run or are stuck on the idea of having a vehicle then maybe consider some Kanz with Rokkit Launchas.  My advice may not be the best on this last point it's just me thinking out loud.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:40:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rismonite]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560449/6243874.page"><b>th0r_is_g0d@yahoo.com wrote:</b></a><br/>So the list I've been posting was an epic fail.  <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0">  But that's whatever I have been updating and found something that seems to be working.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Did the 10 nob bikers not fare well? I wanted to build an 1850 list around 10nob bikers ... but now I am scared.  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> Also the Deffkoptas in a group of 5? How was that for you? Thanks. ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ For_Da_Orkz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Deffkoptas in large groups are good in small groups not so much <img src="/s/i/a/c1f54002789bba812b7255ca0516c659.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> I did double 9 on the Lootas had to do some (by some I mean a lot)  kustom work ill post pics later <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> all my boyz are now Shoota boyz <br /> <br /> NOB bikes do great just remember everyone know that so they will try to kill it first<br /> <br /> the only real reason im running the Looted wagon is to add a little fun to the list and money being a little tight these day not really wanting to drop another fifty on Lootas if I could I would in a heart beat]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ran the list MASSACRED drop pod blood ravens at 2000pts <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ th0r_is_g0d@yahoo.com]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pt 40k Orks</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I always find old zogwort fun to use, especially when you turn an enemy character like mephiston into a squig. Also you should always play deffkoptas in as small squads as possible. Say you want a squad of 5 koptas. It is better to have 2 squads of 2 and a squad of 1 and move them and shoot them as if they're a squad because this means that if assaulted then only 1 or 2 are held up instead of 5. Also there might be a rhino on 1 hull point and another on 2. instead of concentrating the fire of 5 koptas on one of the rhinos wouldn't it make more sense to fire with 3 on one rhino and 2 on the other?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:02:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Chaos Rule]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i agree with you on that smaller units are easier to control in that sence but at the same time the min you lose on leadership check run off the table ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:17:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:2000pt 40k Orks</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well not too bad came in last out of 8 with 12 outta 99 possible points<br /> Tau<br /> Space Marines Raven Guard<br /> Chaos with Necron<br /> Chaos with Deamons<br /> Dark Eldar<br /> Dark Angels<br /> Imperial Guard<br /> Orks<br /> <br /> that was the over all<br /> <br /> But not too bad I guess <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> <img src="/s/i/a/80f14e5ffd51cd1bc51199153de3eacf.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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