Dawn of a new Warlord wrote:
I should have stated, it's not meant to be top tier. It's meant to be a semi-competitive, fluffy list.

You think I need a DSing tank hunter unit? I mean, there is a ton of Fusion and high strength weapon out there already...

Funnily I was considering 2 plasmas for most of the suits originally.

Regarding the ECPA, I was told since OVesa is in the list I couldn't take one. Is this not true?

 Dawn of a new Warlord wrote:
I should have stated, it's not meant to be top tier. It's meant to be a semi-competitive, fluffy list.

You think I need a DSing tank hunter unit? I mean, there is a ton of Fusion and high strength weapon out there already...

Funnily I was considering 2 plasmas for most of the suits originally.

Regarding the ECPA, I was told since OVesa is in the list I couldn't take one. Is this not true?

Zagman wrote:

And people don't understand that Unsupported Riptides just aren't that great. He only has six markerlights in that army, and they can only afftect a single Target. The only High Damage output Riptide is O'Vesa, the rest will prove to have mediocre Damage output.

Consider that an IA Riptides firing its large blast only has a 17% chance to fail to fire and a 34% chance to land without Scatter. A 39% chance to scatter completely off its target. And without support will likely grant a cover save, all for ~200+ Points.

With four Riptides and not including an allied Buffmander is making the list softer than it could be. IMO, taking more than two Riptides without dedicated support units give diminishing returns.

valace2 wrote:

Zagman wrote:

And people don't understand that Unsupported Riptides just aren't that great. He only has six markerlights in that army, and they can only afftect a single Target. The only High Damage output Riptide is O'Vesa, the rest will prove to have mediocre Damage output.

Consider that an IA Riptides firing its large blast only has a 17% chance to fail to fire and a 34% chance to land without Scatter. A 39% chance to scatter completely off its target. And without support will likely grant a cover save, all for ~200+ Points.

With four Riptides and not including an allied Buffmander is making the list softer than it could be. IMO, taking more than two Riptides without dedicated support units give diminishing returns.

Yes a Riptide's firing effectiveness is diminished without markerlight or signature system support, but people also underestimate the durability of a Riptide, especially O'Vesa with the Pilot Array allowing rerolls to activate the Nova reactor and getting that 3+ invuln he is one of the hardest models to kill in the game and nothing short of a grav centurion squad firing all 15 shots or a force weapon is going to drop him reliably. They are the ultimate distraction and having 4 of them is going to just whig most opponents out unless they are running a seeker council, flying circus, or dispartek Necron air list.

valace2 wrote:

lmao 4 Riptides including O'Vesa and it is semi-competitive. No wonder people hate us Tau players.I guess until someone can play connect the dots and make up the WAAC I WIN button list we will just have to settle for 4 Riptides.

lmao maybe there is something to this anti Tau angst.

 Dawn of a new Warlord wrote:

valace2 wrote:

lmao 4 Riptides including O'Vesa and it is semi-competitive. No wonder people hate us Tau players.I guess until someone can play connect the dots and make up the WAAC I WIN button list we will just have to settle for 4 Riptides.

lmao maybe there is something to this anti Tau angst.

There are 14 models in this list not including drones. 14 models at 1850 points. 8 of those models are scoring. I fail to see how killing my 8 models and thus nullifying my entire means of winning will be THAT hard for a savvy opponent.

WAAC is definitely not anything close to the premise of this list.

 Dawn of a new Warlord wrote:
Alright, came up with this based on what you guys have said. I don't want to drop O'Vesa mainly because as an IC he gives me a VERY survivable scoring unit which I can push for objectives with. New list has more markerlight support but less toys (i.e. no SFN or Warscaper).

HQ
Commander Farsight - 165
- Shas'vre O'vesa - 305

ELITES
Xv104 Riptide 205
HBC, TL Fusion, EWO Vel. Tracker

Xv104 Riptide 205
HBC, TL Fusion, EWO Vel. Tracker

Xv104 Riptide 190
Ion Acc, TL Fusion, EWO

TROOPS
2x Xv8 Crisis 106 (O'Vesa's Retinue)
4xPlasma, Bonding Knives

3x Xv8 Crisis 195 (Farsight's Retinue)
6x Plasma, 3x Shield Drones, Bonding Knives

3x Xv8 Crisis 239
5x Missiles, 3x Target Lock, 1x Drone Controller 6x Marker Drones, Bonding Knives

3x Xv8 Crisis 239
5x Missiles, 3x Target Lock, 1x Drone Controller 6x Marker Drones, Bonding Knives

TOTAL: 1849

HBCTides cover mid-field and up the volume of fire in the list. I would consider SMS on them for more, but my Riptides are the main source of anti-armor in this list with ripple fire and the fusion blasters. Velocity Trackers on the HBCs should make them efficient enough for anti-air though, even with Gets Hot.

O'Vesa and his two comrades form my spearhead of the push across the table with O'Shovah either meeting him halfway via DS or simply backing him up (unsure on which may be better here). LOTS of plasma fire coming from both units though.

Deathrain units do what they do best and sit in the back field giving out markerlight and missile support where necessary. Better? Feels pretty solid to me, but I'm no expert.