<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? My take on the new DE.

High Beastmaster on sc.chariot.
Ogre blade,enchanted shield,talisman of preservation.

Lev.4 Sorceress on Pegasus (shadow lore i think or life)
Dispel scroll , cloak of twilight

Hag on Cauldron
+D3 ATT , obsidian blade

22 Witch Elves FC - Flaming banner (Cauldron here)
21 witch Elves FC - (3x7 rank)
21 witch elves FC - (3x7 rank)

X4 RBT's

3x5 Warlocks

X4 Cold one chariots

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Including the beastmaster = 5 RBT's.
Enough to deal with Monsters and/or kill diverters/chaff

Magic is good , cc is OMG :-)
The 1st DE list that i really liked.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6203467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6203467.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? DE book, but I say if you like it, go for it!

It looks pretty good to me, the witches will handle combat unless you run into heavy armour which the bolt throwers and chariots will hopefully be able to handle and you should have magic sewn up with the sorceress and the warlocks.

My only concern is that it does seem like a glass cannon list, but then, when are elves not like that?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6203508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6203508.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? BSB. I recommend a Master with heavy armour, a Sea Dragon Cloak, enchanted shield, Dawnstone, and a Sword of Might. He clocks in at 155 points.


I don't think taking the Beastmaster on a chariot is a good plan. It's too fragile. At least a Manticore has flight, which can be used to get it to hiding places where cannons are involved. Either way, he isn't a competitive choice. A better combat character would be a dreadlord with a giant blade, dragonhelm, heavy armour, shield and sea dragon cloak.

Otherwise, I'm worried, that you have no answer to warriors. I recommend a couple of scourgerunner chariots. Their bolt throwers can take wounds off the prince and pull him out of position. The S7 helps too!


Other than that, I'd fit in some Black Guard with the razor standard The ASF and S4, with armour piercing make them pretty good at grinding stuff out.

Sisters are pretty awesome too. I've not found anything that they want to fight, that they can't fight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6203583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6203583.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? BSB.

The Beastmaster Lord is on a scourgerunner chariot (HATE the name ) he is supposed to stay out of harms way and only shoot the harpoon on a 2+.
He is killy enough though to deal with light/medium threats if it will come to that.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204181.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess?
I'd drop one unit, and put those points towards a Kharibdyss maybe.

2) Not a fan of the RBTs. I'd drop them for another monster. 2x Kharibdyss is a pretty mean combo.

3) You should put a razor standard on the witch horde, rather than the flaming banner. Throw a demon prince or a juggerknight unit in there and it won't matter how many attacks you can throw out, and they'll just grind you down to nothingness.

4) Honestly, I'm not a super huge fan of the beastmaster. For 400 points I think you can find far stronger options.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204416.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? BSB isn't the must take anymore. The build I gave you is better as it gives you a 1+ in combat and a 2+ look out sir vs cannons. Not to mention the S5.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204795.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess?
 thedarkavenger wrote:
The Cauldron BSB isn't the must take anymore. The build I gave you is better as it gives you a 1+ in combat and a 2+ look out sir vs cannons. Not to mention the S5.


The problem with this is he has no where to put a master on foot. While it is no dubt a good build, a cauldron BSB is sometimes a better choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204864.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? You don't have anything to anchor.
I'd swap 1 unit of warlocks and 2 chariots for something that can hold in combat, and isn't forced to pursue/over-run.

Black Guard or executioners would work. Hell, even 10 cold one knights with warbanner wouldn't be bad.

I think you're list is seriously in trouble against dedicated shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204887.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204887.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess?
Petrocco wrote:
 thedarkavenger wrote:
The Cauldron BSB isn't the must take anymore. The build I gave you is better as it gives you a 1+ in combat and a 2+ look out sir vs cannons. Not to mention the S5.


The problem with this is he has no where to put a master on foot. While it is no dubt a good build, a cauldron BSB is sometimes a better choice.



I really don't think so now. The reasons you took it in the old book were because it was T10, had a 4+ ward and, most importantly, it could send out a guaranteed 5+ ward.


Now that it doesn't do any of those, you're better off with a death hag on foot with a 4+ ward and a 5 point magic sword.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6204920.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess?
 thedarkavenger wrote:
Petrocco wrote:
 thedarkavenger wrote:
The Cauldron BSB isn't the must take anymore. The build I gave you is better as it gives you a 1+ in combat and a 2+ look out sir vs cannons. Not to mention the S5.


The problem with this is he has no where to put a master on foot. While it is no dubt a good build, a cauldron BSB is sometimes a better choice.



I really don't think so now. The reasons you took it in the old book were because it was T10, had a 4+ ward and, most importantly, it could send out a guaranteed 5+ ward.


Now that it doesn't do any of those, you're better off with a death hag on foot with a 4+ ward and a 5 point magic sword.


Yeah, unless you have her in with Hellebron or something it's too easy to pick that BSB off in combat. Cauldron witches are mean, but anything with high armour should be able to tank them long enough to kill the piddly little T3 2W model on top. Not to mention cannons and stone throwers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6207977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6207977.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? d6 S3 hits is hardly a massive worry with a 1+ rerollable armour save.

Putting your BsB on a cauldron will just lead her to death by magic missile, shooting or eating a cannonball. Just a bad idea.

Beast master is a 400 point Bolt Thrower. That is never going to be worth it.

Looks like you're going MMU/MSU but the combat blocks aren't good enough and the Chariots just won't swing it for you. 3 units of Warlocks is pointless, even 2 with a lvl4 is too many for my preference. You've got all these spells but no power dice to use them.

I wonder if Morathi would be better than your Sorceress for not many more points you get Ld10 and +6-8 to cast (which is flat out broken). Plus her silly rules and the ability to configure spells based on opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6211159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6211159.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? Totally massacred orcs.

RBT's killed manglers and wolf-riders and opened the way for the rest of the army.

Beastmaster lord took out an arachnarok.

Managed to charge 6 strong unit of trolls with 2 chariots and killed them (in 3 rounds of cc)

Working side by side , 2 units of WE (one with the cauldron) charged hit head on 2 units of 30 savage boyz.
TOTALLY MURDERED THEM :-)

I loved the list.
It worked as good as i hoped.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6212385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6212385.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6212546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6212546.page GMT 3000 Pts New Dark Elves.... Competive i guess?
 FlingitNow wrote:
If this is the power level you were looking for then putting competitive in the title is misleading.



This is pretty spot on.

A competitive Dark Elf list is generally like:

Level 4, Death, Twilight Cloak, D. Scroll, Pegasus.

Master BSB, HA, SDC, Enchanted Shield, Sword of Might.

30 odd Darkshards, FC.

3-4 units of 5 dark riders with musicians and crossbows.

30 executioners, full command, and a razor standard.

3-4 Bolt Throwers

5 Doomfire Warlocks.

The numbers may be jiggled to get a legal list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6212837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/560714/6212837.page GMT