http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net But im not sure if its good enough. but before I start buying models I wanted to know what you guys think first.


Hq
Captain Shrike
=185

elites
10x vanguard vets squad
4x storm shield 3x power fist
6x chain sword bolt pistol
=335

5x sternguard veteran
3x combi grav, lighting claw
drop pod
=205

troops
5x scout squad
meltabomb
landspeeder storm multi melta
= 115

5x scout squad
meltabomb
landspeeder storm multi melta
= 115

5x tactical squad
combi melta , melta, lighting claw, meltabomb
drop pod
=145

5x tactical squad
combi melta, meltagun, lighting claw, meltabomb
drop pod
=145

fast attack
2x landspeeder
Multi melta, heavy bolter
= 140

fast attack
2x landspeeder
Multi melta, heavy bolter
= 140

Stormtalon gunship
Shyhammer
125

stormraven gunship
=200






]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6214879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6214879.page GMT FW volleys, they never seem to be worth the points all that expensive wargear adds up to.

After having tried many times to make a go with the RG chapter traits, I'm finding it harder and harder to forge ahead with a list built on pods and jump packs. The LSS scout wave really just isn't my thing. If you had too, I'd say find another pod to put two 5 man tacs with special/combi on the table to get a third, and run your Vanguard naked for the most part, will get more bodies on the table.

If that doesn't work, start shopping around for different chapter traits... The FW for 40k Chapter Traits list has some rather nice ones for Jump Packers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6214935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6214935.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215530.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215561.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215606.page GMT
Start playing with your fluff/casual list. See how your doing. If your losing all your games, start shifting to a more competitive list.

Make the change gradual. That way you can keep learning how to play your army without starting over from scratch. Its easy to learn 1 new unit at a time, and its much harder to learn a new army at once. Simply put -- don't completely change your army at the drop of a hat unless you have years of 40k experience under your belt.

Once you get to a fun 50% win/loss ratio, stop making your list more optimized.

You might never get to a 50% win/loss ratio, depending on your opponents. Skill is a big factor in this game, if your learning don't be disheartened if you lose your first 10-20 games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561348/6215799.page GMT