<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1500 Black Legion - Look, a Helldrake!!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1500 Black Legion - Look, a Helldrake!! CSM hold my field objective, while everything else pretty much shoots for a turn and then (counter)attacks as applicable. Flamer Chosen and Helldrake harass infantry and hordes, Melta Chosen attack elites and armor, supported by Oblits.

Updated list: 1500p Black Legion

Sorceror, force rod + bolt pistol, lvl 3 (biomancy + maybe a roll on pyromancy) , sigil of corruption, VoTLW
140

9 chosen space marines
power fist
5 meltaguns
VoTLW
255

chaos land raider, havok launcher, dirge caster
247

6 chosen space marines
5 flamers
VoTLW
145

rhino, havoc launcher, dirge caster
52

10 CSM
autocannon, plasma gun
VoTLW
175


Helldrake
170

2 Obliterators (mark of nurgle), VoTLW
158

2 Obliterators (mark of nurgle), VoTLW
158


1500







Previous (illegal) "1250 Black Legion - Look, no Helldrake!!" list :

Black Legion 1250p

Sorceror, force rod + bolt pistol, lvl 3 (biomancy + maybe a roll on pyromancy) , sigil of corruption
135

9 chosen space marines
power fist
4 meltaguns
237

chaos land raider, havok launcher, dirge caster
247

5 chosen space marines
4 flamers
110

rhino, havoc launcher, dirge caster
52

10 CSM
autocannon, plasma gun
165

2 Obliterators (mark of nurgle)
152

2 Obliterators (mark of nurgle)
152

Totals 1250 on the mark.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222941.page GMT 1250 Black Legion - Look, no Helldrake!! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222951.page GMT 1250 Black Legion - Look, no Helldrake!! CSM codex?

If you're using this list with the Black Legion supplement, it seems a bit of a shame as all your troops will cost more and you're not using any of the different toys the supplement provides...

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222961.page GMT 1250 Black Legion - Look, no Helldrake!!
 PredaKhaine wrote:
Do you mean you're using the Black Legion Supplement for this or you've made a Black Legion list with the normal CSM codex?

If you're using this list with the Black Legion supplement, it seems a bit of a shame as all your troops will cost more and you're not using any of the different toys the supplement provides...



I's the Black Legion supplement rules, i.e. Chosen are troops and thus scoring. Otherwise I would only have 1 Troop choice. Yes Chosen cost more, but they have 3 A each base (4 on the charge) and can have up to 4 special weapons each. No good for +3 pts compared to normal bolter + bp + ccw marine you think?

Darnit - just realized I have to put VoTLW on everything...!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6222999.page GMT 1250 Black Legion - Look, no Helldrake!! Votlw making troops chosen more expensive is what I meant ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6223242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6223242.page GMT 1500 Black Legion - Look, a Helldrake!! VoTLW. Also realized that Chosen can run 5 special weapons so took advantage of that.

Bumped up to 1500 but can be reduced to 1200-1300 by either downgrading the LR to a rhino and/or dropping the Helldrake again.

Comments?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6223330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6223330.page GMT 1500 Black Legion - Look, a Helldrake!! BL supplement was artefact, extra FA and extra HS? And for all your talk about extra attacks - your chosen are pointless! They are designed as shooty units in your lists! 2 squads of 10 kitted CSM will have a better effect run with havocs with heavys. The land raider is an excessive use of points considering its best use in the CSM dex is as an assault vehicle for a CC unit.

Go for it if you love it, but you could run something similar, and arguably better, for cheaper points with a bog standard codex!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6223357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6223357.page GMT 1500 Black Legion - Look, a Helldrake!!
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I don't understand, I thought the whole point in the BL supplement was artefact, extra FA and extra HS?


Then I must be doing something wrong!

But seriously, sure one of the things with BL are the artifacts. But you don't HAVE to take über warlords. What I wanted to try was Chosen as troops as these are both shooty and assaulty at once. 5 meltas followed by a charge with 40 attacks would soften most units rather well I would think. Especially for a scoring unit.

What do you mean about extra FA and HS? Did I miss that somewhere?

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

And for all your talk about extra attacks - your chosen are pointless! They are designed as shooty units in your lists! 2 squads of 10 kitted CSM will have a better effect run with havocs with heavys. The land raider is an excessive use of points considering its best use in the CSM dex is as an assault vehicle for a CC unit.


Well, my chosen with meltas ARE meant as a CC unit, they have 4 attacks each on the charge. I will also use the sorceror with them to buff them, hoping for FnP, os maybe enfeeble the opposing unit.

Sure 5 Meltas before the charge softens the target but I intend to charge as well.. the Meltas just make them more versatile and able to take on e.g. Meganobz/Termies.
So basically you think I should remove the Meltaguns and use those points elsewhere?


 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

Go for it if you love it, but you could run something similar, and arguably better, for cheaper points with a bog standard codex!


Interesting, could you give an example? As I see it, I do pay a bit of a premium for more elite troops (3A and 5 special weapons), but I can't see how a CSM unit AND a Havoc unit would be the same point cost. But yeah, the LR is a points sink and could be removed or swapped for a simple rhino + additional unit. That would however remove their ability to assault out of the transport, which is a big thing with this list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6224087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6224087.page GMT 1500 Black Legion - Look, a Helldrake!!
The only BL lists I've seen have been pure dakka ones, and to be fair they look really nasty. When I see CC chosen, they're normally crammed with specialist CCW so I did kinda assume you were aiming at a dakka based list - hence I suggested dropping the land raider for more bodies with long range dakka!

I was under the impression that one of the BL bonus' was being able to field 4 HS or 4 FA? I don't have the book myself - refused to pay the premium, but others on this forum have told me such! Perhaps it's one of those 'you need abadon' type things!

Anyways, all in all I stand with my face slapped!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6224212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/561741/6224212.page GMT