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				<title>Help me take out the garbage (Iron Hands 1500)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ So here's my problem ,<br /> <br /> I think what everyone said about terminators are true, I didn't want to believe it  but after watching my land raider get blown up turn one and all my terminators die to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 4 ap5 or str6 mass fire I was pissed. And I thought, evey single 1 that I roll is 40 points and I don't like those odds, however I'm not sure what to get to replace them so I leave it up to you dakka! Here's my list currently 1500 help me to take out the garbage.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>Motf</span> <br /> Librarian <br /> <br /> Term <br /> 4 thss <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(475);'>LRR</span> <br /> <br /> 10 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> with rhino <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>lc</span> and grav x2<br /> <br /> Storm talon w/ sky hammer <br /> <br /> 2 LCAC pred<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> <br /> Quad gun<br /> <br /> 1490 I don't want to lose the 2 pred or the storm talon, everything else is variable. I normally just play my brother (eldar) but I'm going to join a gaming group so I want a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> list. <br /> <br /> Thanks dakka!]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ titanictomato]]></author>
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				<title>Help me take out the garbage (Iron Hands 1500)</title>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 04:50:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ titanictomato]]></author>
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				<title>Help me take out the garbage (Iron Hands 1500)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If youre dropping the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>lr</span> and terms, you could easily afford another talon and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>tfc</span>. Leaves you with enough points to consider bikes, centurions etc. the possibilities are endless. What do you like? Maybe upgrade the librarian to a super dooper chapter master on bike with shield eternal, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> and thunder hammer. I know I would in an iron hands list.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 05:23:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jamo]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Help me take out the garbage (Iron Hands 1500)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I would also consider some scouts, sniper rifles and camo cloaks. <br /> <br /> Not very expencive and can take out <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> etc. <br /> <br /> Sit them behind the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> for addl cover<br /> <br /> or some scouts with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(440);'>LSS</span>, deep strike or move on late in the game for some objective taking]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:08:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A quick look at your list and it seems you only have 1 troops choice. Which makes your list illegal. You need 2 minimum]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:53:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562430/6245277.page"><b>SpankingApe wrote:</b></a><br/>A quick look at your list and it seems you only have 1 troops choice. Which makes your list illegal. You need 2 minimum</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You missed the "x2" at the end of his troops choice then.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:54:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ah no, brain fart, the x2 is for the amount of squads isn't it? Not the amount of grav guns! Haha sorry. I think you could drop a pred, drop the raider, and the termies freeing you lots of points up. You can then make the remaining pred fully lascannon and add a thunder fire cannon as they are unbelievable. You can think about bikers but unless your having a large number of them it's not really worth it. If say grab another troops choice though as 2 at 1500 isn't really enough.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:58:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ SpankingApe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562430/6245280.page"><b>Rorschach9 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562430/6245277.page"><b>SpankingApe wrote:</b></a><br/>A quick look at your list and it seems you only have 1 troops choice. Which makes your list illegal. You need 2 minimum</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You missed the "x2" at the end of his troops choice then.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I took that to mean there was two grav guns in the unit (I don't play <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> so not sure on their weapon options).<br /> <br /> It's not completely clear. Might be better to list each unit seperately.<br /> <br /> Back on topic, to make the best use of the Iron Hands Tactics <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> you need lots of heavy armoured vehicles and bodies to best use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(681);'>IWND</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span>.<br /> <br /> Maybe Vindicators and Predators?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:01:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ rohansoldier]]></author>
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				<title>Help me take out the garbage (Iron Hands 1500)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the comments! Since posting this, I saw an idea for dropping the raider and termites and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>adl</span> and bumping it to 1850. Using grav cannon cents from a storm raven with skies of fury for 15 rerol to wound grav shots, plus another storm talon, I would drop one pred. I could run an allied space marines to put in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>tfc</span>. For 1500, I have a vindicator, I could throw that in which gives me 325 points I could afford a another talon and scouts. I could drop the librarian for 65 points and grab another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad without a lascannon which gives me 6 tanks and 2 flyers, I could switch around some points and put my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>motf</span> on a bike and keep him out of sight behind the 4 tanks moving forward. Is that enough fire power? I'm not sure<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Instead of the last <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> I could get a bike retinue for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>motf</span>?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:38:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ titanictomato]]></author>
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