<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "2000 Ork Beginner"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 2000 Ork Beginner CSM so instead of TAC critique I'd appreciate some geared towards making this list better at beating the heretics. I am however expecting to also play Necrons and Tyranids soon (perhaps a 2, 3 or 4-way battle) and I'm expecting to come up against Abaddon, Typhus or a Chaos Lord, Oblits, one Land Raider, Noise Marines and of course Plague Marines and I don't know the best way to deal with these units so could do with some advice.
I'm very keen to use both Mad Doc Grotsnik and the Burna Boyz in this list as my friend always runs his lists with a large screen of Cultists/Zombies and his HQ's with Terminators, I thought that Burnas would deal with either of these nicely. I would consider removing the Doc however and replacing him with a Warboss if people think it's a far better choice.
As far as my limits go I only have three Trukks and two Battlewagons, the only units I don't have are Tankbustas and Stormboyz.
We won't play with double FOC. It doesn't need to be ultra-competitive but I want to stand a good chance of winning!

HQ:
Mad Doc Grotsnik
Big Mek - Kustom Force Field, bosspole
(Total 250)

Elites:
Burna Boyz x 15 - Mek x 1, Big Shoota
Mega Nobz x 5 - Kombi Shoota/Skorcha x 2
(Total 460)

Troops:
Shoota Boyz x 25 - Nob, bosspole
Shoota Boyz x 25 - Nob, bosspole
Shoota Boyz x 25 - Nob, bosspole
Slugga Boyz x 19 - Nob, Power Klaw
Slugga Boyz x 12 - Nob, bosspole
Slugga Boyz x 12 - Nob, bosspole
(Total 818)

Dedicated Transports:
Trukk
Trukk
Trukk
(Total 105)

Fast Attack:
Deffkopta x1 - Twin linked Rokkit Launcha, Buzzsaw
Deffkopta x1 - Twin-linked Rokkit Launcha
(Total 115)

Heavy Support:
Battlewagon - Deff rolla, Red paint job, Grot riggers, Big Shoota x1
Battlewagon - Deff rolla, Boarding plank, Grot riggers, Big Shoota x1
(Total 250)

List Total = 1998

Slugga Boyz x 12 units in Trukks, MANz in Trukk, Big Mek + Burna Boyz in RPJ Wagon, Mad Doc + Slugga Boyz in Boarding Plank Wagon, Shoota Boyz make the long arduous journey up-field to sit on objectives/in cover or otherwise block out the sun with bullets, Deffkoptas start in reserves and when deployed target rear armour of Rhino/LR (if they've not been opened up by Deff rolla + Grotsnik and the boarding plank) and/or tie up Oblits. I chose to add a Mek to the Burnas to help ensure it stays moving and thought he might be useful as a Character at absorbing challenges or challenging characters I don't want attacking the unit. Is that a good idea?
Any list advice or tactics are welcome!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6237221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6237221.page GMT Re:2000 Ork Beginner cc. However though an alternate HQ choice would be a war boss with mega armour, attack squiq and cybork which tallies around 125 and that's also a monster in cc.

I'd swap out the deffkoptas for a dakkajet as their shot output is insanely good! Deffkoptas are good for tying up units, but for me I find dakkajets get back their points so much more than deffkoptas. Also i'd drop the MANz for lots of lootas to deal with any armour you face (they can glance most things to death!) I'd drop one of the bosspoles on the 25 man unit, and add it to the 19 man unit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6237686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6237686.page GMT 2000 Ork Beginner
I participated in a huge game yesterday, I played 2k of Orks with my mates 2k of Tau, against 4k of Marines.

Warboss and Nobs as troops were boss! They almost took the game out for us.

With the plethora of AP2 weaponry (including the now commonplace Grav weapons), the inability to take MANz with invulnerabubble saves is a serious problem.

I would consider dropping a squad of boys and the MANz, and taking a squad of 10 Nobz with all the trimmings (including Painboy) and equip them with 2x Power Klaws, Waagh Banner, and the rest being Big Choppas.

Your big choppa's will net you 3x Strength 8 hits on the charge for each Nob (Str 4 base, +1 Furious Charge, +1 Waagh Banner, +2 for the Big Choppa). All hitting at initiative 2. Weight of attacks alone will make it difficult for anything to stand up to you. Then you have your other two Nobs hitting at I1 with Power Klaws. Monstrous!

There ain't much that will stop them short of a death star.

Just my opinion mate ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6238227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6238227.page GMT 2000 Ork Beginner
Banner is +1 WS not +1 Strength

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I kinda prefer the deffkoptas to a dakkajet in this list- they can go seek out and tie up some unit at the back, preventing a round of shooting while the trukks advance. Or the one with the buzzsaw can crack a transport. Dakkajets are great- but they seem like they'd be piling more anti-infantry into a list already excelling at that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6238449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6238449.page GMT 2000 Ork Beginner It was an oversight on my part to not find the points for the Cybork'd MANz, it was always my intention and part of the reason I wanted da Doc (that and 19 6+ 5+++ Fearless Boyz charging out of a Wagon).
Regarding the swapping of Deffkoptas for a Dakkajet, like DaisyWondercow I felt I already had enough anti-infantry but perhaps one would be useful to pop transports and the CSM player often fields a flyer/FDP. For Dakkajet tactics is it better to wait until the opponents flyer has come in from reserves to bring it in in order to be sure to lay some fire on it? My worry is that the jet is basically a flying Trukk with Supa Shootas and is easily taken down (last game I used one it was Vector Striked and instantly destroyed after one turn of shooting.
If I did drop the MANz and some Boyz for Nobz, do they need the 4+ armour save as well as a 5++ invuln and FNP or is it better to save those 45 points for something else? Is a 4+ that can potentially be negated generally considered better or worse than a 5++ you would always have? I lack experience!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6239870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6239870.page GMT 2000 Ork Beginner
 Dakkamite wrote:
Nobs are INT 3, not INT 2.

Banner is +1 WS not +1 Strength

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Well apparently I did that wrong during the entire 8k points game we played last weekend ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6251768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6251768.page GMT 2000 Ork Beginner Warboss w/ megarmour or warbike
Nobz w/ or w/o bikes
Lootas
Boyz
Warbikers (sorta)
Dakkajet
Battlewagons
Thats kinda it. . . everything else is questionable, situational or just weak.

As to your list I would drop the burna boyz, boyz will handle cultists and zombies just fine without needing the flamers. My opponent who beats me as CSM always brings a hellturkey or two and terminator squads. So you need boyz to stand in front of those terminators and die, and then hopefully shoot the hell out of the termies after they just slaughtered the group in combat.

Also I generally find it unwise to put anything on battlewagons, other than the deffrolla. The big shootas, and planks and whatnot all just cost points that usually end up accomplishing nothing. points better spent on boyz. Boyz before toyz.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6251881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/562442/6251881.page GMT