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Tau/Eldar 1741

HQ-farsight

HQ- ShadowSun

Seven dwarfs(Bodyguard team)
suit #1 PRx2 TL
suit #2 PRx2 TL
suit #3 PRx2 TL
suit #4 MPx2 TL
suit #5 MPx2 TL
suit #6 FBx2 TL
suit #7 MSS, Drone controler, C&C node, Puretide chip, Vect thrusters
Gun drones x11

HQ- farseer .w jet bike, singing spear

troop- kroot x10

troop- kroot x10

Troop kroot x10

troop- Windrider(eldar jetbike)x3

troop- windrider(eldar jetbike)x3

Elite- Riptide EWO, V-Tracker, Ion cannon, FB

Elite- Riptide EWO, V-tracker, Hvy Burst cannon, FB

Comments- Here is a shadowsun bomb list. The farseer goes inside the bomb buffs his unit with hopfully fortune, then he has an wide range of other helpful powers like reveal, doom, and div powers if needed and not to mention guide on a riptide a turn will help. Using shadowsun warlord trait the unit has an average of a 16" movement. Still not as mobile as list #2 let me know what you think.




LIST #2

Tau/SM- ultramarines

HQ- Farsight
HQ- ShadowSun

Seven dwarfs(Farsight Bodyguard team)
suit #1 PRx2 TL
suit #2 PRx2 TL
suit #3 PRx2 TL
suit #4 MPx2 TL
suit #5 MPx2 TL
suit #6 FBx2 TL
suit #7 MSS, Drone controler, C&C node, Puretide chip, Vect thrusters
Gun drones x13

HQ- Tigirus master Libby

troop- Fire warriorsx6

troop- Fire warriorsx7

troop- scoutsx5 bolters

troop- scoutsx5 BP/CCW

Elite- Riptide EWO, V-Tracker, Ion cannon, FB

Elite- Riptide EWO, V-tracker, Hvy Burst cannon, FB

List #2 is all about the Farsight bomb. Using Tigirus to try his best to get GATE OF INFINITY i will deep strike around the board not scattering due to farsights warlord trait and then use my jet pack to jump in the assault phase for an average of 33" a turn. Way more mobile then list #1 and i can also use gate to get me out of combat if my hit and run fails. Im a fan of this list because more shots behind vehicles and ways to get into cover. The downsides are if I DONT GET GATE OF INFINITY IM SCREWED. I dont have fast troops so keeping them alive will be hard.

Changes made. Thank you please keep up the votes.

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Shadowsun does not unlock 7 bodyguards, only farsight. List #1 would not work. And honestly, having the success of list #2 rely on rolling for a specifc power will set you up for failure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6258064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6258064.page GMT Shadowsun and the seven dwarfs. Help me pick a list. 1750
Ive had good luck with list #2 so far I guess I always get gate tho. I havent played a game yet without it.

Ive play tested this list only 18 times so far documenting how the Bomb takes damg how much CC attacks they can take. They kill an average of 2 1/2 units a turn. Unless theres orks or bugs involved.

@DirtyDeeds: With tigirus's reroll. I get 6 chances to get GOI and i cant get the same power twice so my chances increase with each power i produce from telek.


I will soon play test with no GOI to see how it goes. I fear even without GOI tigirus will only help me more due to biomancy divination combos.

Not to mention using tigirus I can take Biomancy to buff the bomb. Ive had two games so far where i have gotten GOI and Endurance. This is a combo any list has trouble stopping.

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I'm sorry I've had such a bad reaction to this list but hey cant put a hater option on the internet and not expect to get some hate.

But I've now played this list in a couple tournaments and play tested against some of the popular hard builds. Such as Wave serpent spam, Hell Turkey spam, FMC Circus, Hearld Screamercoucil with FateWeave,Battle wagon spam, Tervigon spam with 9 hiveguard, O'vesa Bomb, Tau commander Bomb, Leaf blower IG(not that good anymore unless you have a baneblade), AV13 spam necrons, Death and dispair Crons, Vulkan Force, SM bike army, Drop pod Iron clad Spam and some off builds that are not that competive but good IMO.

There is some builds I'm dying to play against, such as Death guard(maybe with a lord of skulls), The seercoucil list that I've seen around the NOVAs. And of course the New DE or Eldar army with revenant titan. Oh yeah D weapons will do the trick. But unfortanitly I dont think that I will see this at the BAO LVO FEAST or NOVA's anytime soon.

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What can I do to make it better?

@ Brother payne- you tag says "For the Emperor". I can see why you wanna hate. Loyalist.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6345744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6345744.page GMT Shadowsun and the seven dwarfs. Help me pick a list. 1750 Now, you have to replace about - third of the gun drones with shield drones to weather AP2/3 blasts until you can eliminate those units, but I think it's worth losing stealth+shrouded.

Between barrage weapons (TFCs!!), snipers (especially illic night spear and his pathfinders), O'Vesa (precision ion accelerator) etc, that one little buff suit gets smacked so easily. Whereas, you invest a few more points and pick up
T5, 2+ and a 4++, then you're good to go. It also allows you 2
Additional drones. I go 10 gun, 6 shield. YMMV.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6345877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6345877.page GMT Shadowsun and the seven dwarfs. Help me pick a list. 1750
What's your AA I don't see anything in the list that is a realistic threat to even an AV11 flyer?

Meta dependant but personally I prefer 2 fusion suits particularly if you're gating, just helps you against AV14&15 which will become more popular now. Only an idiot would have a single AV14 unit in their list so expect to see lists with 2-3 Landraiders 3+ Bastions, Redoubts and Aquila Strongpoints.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6346157.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6346157.page GMT Shadowsun and the seven dwarfs. Help me pick a list. 1750
First off Id like to say the last two posts were very helpful.




 FlingitNow wrote:
I don't like Riptides in the Farsun bomb they do the sane job as the bomb, Broadsides and Skyrays seem a better fit. Drop the VTs on them just wasted points.

What's your AA I don't see anything in the list that is a realistic threat to even an AV11 flyer?

Meta dependant but personally I prefer 2 fusion suits particularly if you're gating, just helps you against AV14&15 which will become more popular now. Only an idiot would have a single AV14 unit in their list so expect to see lists with 2-3 Landraiders 3+ Bastions, Redoubts and Aquila Strongpoints.


I completely agree with the two fusion suits. They are simply a must need. With super heavies and some AV15 hitting the field they will be a must.

Let me start by saying sorry sloppy list format I should have clarify better . The riptides have Velocity trackers not vector trusters. So they have sky fire and interceptor so essentially they are my AA . They babysit the bomb on each flank to create a 18" bubble of melta due to the TL fusion. It keeps Hell turkeys and death&despair off my bombs booty. I've seen this list done with 6-9 broardsides and 1-2 skyrays. A very competitive build, I just hate having to rely of 6's with the broadsides to hit flyers. Even though odds say you will hit a couple times at least. Im going to try this veneration of the list out. Ill let you know if it deals with harder build a little better then this one. Like the dreaded hell trukey spam (3-4) and seerercouncil.

 The Shrike wrote:
I've played the bomb competitively as well and I've decided that I'd rather have a buff commander instead of shadow sun.
Now, you have to replace about - third of the gun drones with shield drones to weather AP2/3 blasts until you can eliminate those units, but I think it's worth losing stealth+shrouded.

Between barrage weapons (TFCs!!), snipers (especially illic night spear and his pathfinders), O'Vesa (precision ion accelerator) etc, that one little buff suit gets smacked so easily. Whereas, you invest a few more points and pick up
T5, 2+ and a 4++, then you're good to go. It also allows you 2
Additional drones. I go 10 gun, 6 shield. YMMV.


The Buff Commander, I have to agree the Bomb becomes a lot less precision shot-able and in tournament play I can see me running into some trouble if a combi-melta pops my multi spectrum suit. I will have to incorperate him into the list. As much as enjoy my bomb being stealth and shrouded (invisibility) I think strategically The buff commander is better is the best choice.

As far as the the riptide goes I think the Ion would be a better choice on both instead of just one due to its ap2.
JY2 convinced me to go with the Heavy burst cannon due to its odds to kill light flyers in the (purtide chip thread) that discussing the Bomb using blood angle allys vs SM allys.

Do you think dropping the riptides and a troop for six broadside and 2 skyrays is a better list?
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The riptides have Velocity trackers not vector trusters. So they have sky fire and interceptor so essentially they are my AA . They babysit the bomb on each flank to create a 18" bubble of melta due to the TL fusion.


I got that the VTs were Velocity Trackers. But they do not make the Riptides good AA. Even in the 9"-18" range the Ion Riptide puts on average 1.25 HPs on an AV11 flyer. That keep away area is realistically only 9" which means Helldrakes will happily burn the bomb. Whilst D&D squads can be dealt with by non-skyfiring interceptor. For instance that Riptide is 210 for the same points 3 Broadsides put 2.44 HPs on an AV11 flyer. Nearly double the damage.

Also Broadsides and Skyrays offer turn 1 damage output when the slow moving bomb is trying to get into position. As well as proper AA.

Buffmander vs Shadowsun is meta dependant TFCs and other barrage, heavy ignores cover etc all make Shadowsun less attractive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6348321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/563560/6348321.page GMT