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So, a squad of 5 stern guard + a sergeant making a squad of 6.

Sgt has a combi melta, a power sword and the flesh bane speciality.
1 vet has a heavy flamer and the rending speciality
1 vet has a multi melta and the relentless speciality
1 vet has a combi melta
2 vets are standard.

It's 197 points, I think it covers most bases, and works well with the specialities. Plus I think it's a little fluffy. I'm going to take them as ultra marines, I know I gain no benefits from chapter tactics, but there's isn't all that much that helps me anyway!


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So what do people think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283730.page GMT Re:Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? Since you are playing the ranged game, perhaps you can drop the power weapon and the HF (do players clump their models in KT? I think they should not..)
MM is the perfect choice with relentless ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283767.page GMT Re:Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
in fact I'd thought about marines for kill teams as being either:

9 - man sternguard squad, no upgrades = 198 points

Chapter Tactics = Iron hands for the 6+ feel no pain or Raven Guard for the 1st Turn Stealth

specialist rules being: Shrouded, Prefered Enemy (Everything), and Rending - with the number of different ammo types, and lack of armour at 2+ or above AV12, I thought 9 men might be a better bet than just 5?

if not sternguard my thought would be to 14 standard marines, again just with bolters, but using the Imperial Fists CT for near twinlinked bolter fire, and taking Rending, Armourbane (2 dice on a bolter should be able to punch through AV11, maybe 12?), Fleshbane for any super tough elites

not sure which would be better, more firepower and more men on the ground, or more elite and specialist ammunition to deal with cover saves, etc

what do you think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283781.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? wysiwyg.


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 Binks wrote:
I'd been having a similar thought of using a sternguard squad for a kill team,

in fact I'd thought about marines for kill teams as being either:

9 - man sternguard squad, no upgrades = 198 points

Chapter Tactics = Iron hands for the 6+ feel no pain or Raven Guard for the 1st Turn Stealth

specialist rules being: Shrouded, Prefered Enemy (Everything), and Rending - with the number of different ammo types, and lack of armour at 2+ or above AV12, I thought 9 men might be a better bet than just 5?

if not sternguard my thought would be to 14 standard marines, again just with bolters, but using the Imperial Fists CT for near twinlinked bolter fire, and taking Rending, Armourbane (2 dice on a bolter should be able to punch through AV11, maybe 12?), Fleshbane for any super tough elites

not sure which would be better, more firepower and more men on the ground, or more elite and specialist ammunition to deal with cover saves, etc

what do you think?


Love the idea of 9 sternguard, my squad is 6 (5 + sgt) but I'm trying to keep it themed as well, hence the addition of special weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283782.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283785.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?

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If I drop the heavy flamer and the combi melta on the normal dude, I can gain another body, so it will look like this;

Sgt with power sword, combi melta and flesh bane speciality
Vet with multi melta and relentless specialty
5 x vets with no upgrades

I need to work out my third upgrade!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283787.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

Love the idea of 9 sternguard, my squad is 6 (5 + sgt) but I'm trying to keep it themed as well, hence the addition of special weapons.


i see what you're getting at with them needing that "extreme" side needing to be shown (the whole commando feel) if you think you need weaponry to be a bit less stock, maybe loose the HF and the MM that's 20 points you could put into two combi-weapons, probably meltas, keep the sword on your serg for combat, and have all your guys able to use the ammo, and two shots of anti AV/ anti MC should you need it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283793.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?

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 Binks wrote:
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

Love the idea of 9 sternguard, my squad is 6 (5 + sgt) but I'm trying to keep it themed as well, hence the addition of special weapons.


i see what you're getting at with them needing that "extreme" side needing to be shown (the whole commando feel) if you think you need weaponry to be a bit less stock, maybe loose the HF and the MM that's 20 points you could put into two combi-weapons, probably meltas, keep the sword on your serg for combat, and have all your guys able to use the ammo, and two shots of anti AV/ anti MC should you need it?


See my updated team!


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I'm also thinking about taking the combi melta off of the shy, and giving it to a normal dude!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283794.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I didn't even think of that! Thanks dude!


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If I drop the heavy flamer and the combi melta on the normal dude, I can gain another body, so it will look like this;

Sgt with power sword, combi melta and flesh bane speciality
Vet with multi melta and relentless specialty
5 x vets with no upgrades

I need to work out my third upgrade!


looks good, but MM in kill team with relentless will die quickly, rather than all eggs in one basket, I'd go with 2 guys with combi meltas, maybe one with stealth, the other with shrouded

my thought being, if someone has a high strength weapon of there own, your MM or Combis are going to be first priority, shrouded means you'll get a nice cover save against Ap3+ weapons, and stealth gives you a bit of extra anti low AP cover? or no stealth and go pref enemy on one of your chaps, maybe give that to your serg, as re-roll to hit and wound is rather tasty? as sternguard already have a fleshbane round?


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sorry just had a check on your pricings, and it'd just be one more combi-melta instead of a multimelta]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283815.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
Might work!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283824.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
hope it works well for you, best of luck ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283833.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283834.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283872.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
SpankingApe wrote:
Heavy bolter with rending/flesh bane/armour bane is much better.


How is it? You can't move and shoot effectively without relentless!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283878.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283903.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283909.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
5 x Howling Banshees with Exarch with Executioner and Fear

5 x Warp Spiders with Exarch with Twin-linked death spinner and Fast Shot

then specialists would be one Howling Banshee with Fleshbane, one Warp Spider with Preferred Enemy and the Warp Spider Exarch with Armourbane

again against Marines this list would (i think) be very potent, but 9 sternguard should be able to punish it, with Rapid Fire Ignores cover shots, or 30" kraken shots

saying that I'm not sure 14 Stock Space Marines would do well against eldar kill teams either, there is something about numbers helping at 200 points, but all the same, Eldar are powerful]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283920.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283933.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? LOS or into assault with you from the other side of the board, and overwatch shots are just not enough to help, then with (in my list) a bunch of crazy ladies with power swords being able to run at d6+3 each turn, with fleet, that's upto 15" in a single turns movement, followed by firing, and assault...in tandem assaulting with the Spider first in case of an overwatch shot (therefore having a 3+ save instead of a 4+) then assaulting with the banshee, if the assault continues past 1 turn, spider jumps out via H&R and attacks another target, a 6 man kill team could be dead turn 1-2 certainly 2-3?

this is typing and thinking at the same time mind...so if I'm wrong, let me know]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6283955.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6284056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6284056.page GMT Re:Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? OP,
keep in mind that you cannot have 9 sterns in Killteam unfortunately.
Contrary to popular belief, the new codex f.. up our sternguard. Note that for the first 5 men you are paying 24 pts per model (like they needed a vet. sgt upgrade.. ).
Not to mention that we have to pay 10 pts per combi.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6286190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6286190.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? OP's 6 man team, my team would have to be 8 sternguard with 1 combi weapon...

Thanks for the codex costing recalculation!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6286969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6286969.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete?
It's 199 points!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287000.page GMT Re:Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287092.page GMT Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? 40k due to almost only ever being able to charge one model at a time with a dedicated combat unit/model and rarely getting locked with it. If you are set on going sternume I would either maximise numbers of bodies (9 sternguard) or have a minimal squad of sternguard (5) and fill the rest with plain tactical and scouts.
Heavy boltersbwith armourbane are your antitank.

Bare in mind that you need the tools to deal with the best kill teams out there - often not the best 40k units. In my experience these are imperial guard teams:

Platoon command squad
Infantry squad
Infantry squad
Heavy weapons, special weapons, ratlings,vets to your liking

Or my personal favourite tau empire:
5 piranhas (5 fast vehicles, 10 gun drones and 40 str5 shots per turn).

Or plain ork shoots boys]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287281.page GMT Re:Sternguard kill team! Could this compete? MM, you could use a LC, or Missile launcher. Since (as far as I know...still kinda new) Kill Team is generally played on a 4*4 board, you could deploy a LC 20 inches from the corner, and he could hit anywhere on the board, barring cover.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565066/6287764.page GMT