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				<description><![CDATA[ I love Tyrannic war veterans. Just the idea behind them. As opposed to waiting for the supposed supplement; which may or may not ever happen; I want to get going on creating a whole army of vets from the 1st Tyrannical War. <br /> <br /> And who better to paint up UM blue to represent them than Grey Knights? They've all got instant-death causing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> weapons for those big nasty <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(128);'>TMCs</span>, they've got incinerators, their basic trooper has a storm bolter to deal with hordes of little gribblies and dreadknights are a lot better at fighting monstrous creatures than dreadnoughts!<br /> <br /> Problem is, I don't know <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> very well; and although I have the codex, I need help carrying a fluffy and effective force of bug hunters. <br /> <br /> So, I submit to you to help me create a force of T war vets! What units are must-takes? I'm thinking at least one purifier squad with incinerators in a rhino, and at least one shunting Dreadknight (are doom fists force weapons?). Other than that I need your help! Exaltation to all who chip in...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:31:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If you're trying to do a UM chapter that's fluffy...You wouldn't have Dreadknights.  You wouldn't have interceptors.  You wouldn't have halberds at all, or force weapons(or even power weapons) on ever person.  You wouldn't have stormbolters on everyone and their mom.  You wouldn't have assassins or inquisitors...You'd pretty much have terminators, strike squads, the vehicles, and dreadnoughts.  And the UM certainly don't have random writing on their armor about demons.<br /> <br /> If you're looking at fluffy, I'd just go <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> and paint them to represent the vets honestly.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 28 Nov 2013 19:58:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ troa]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you would be better doing a sm army but painting them deathwatch colours? Take Pedro as your count as commander, (some random deathwatch commander) so you can have sternguard as troops and then go crazy with sternguard as your vets <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> or just use sternguard models for your tacs etc as they look awesome in deathwatch scheme.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:59:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ SpankingApe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Exalted; but have some imagination people! Haven't you ever seen a conversion? They don't have to have inquisition iconography! And wouldn't a fighting force adapting to Tyranids want <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>ID</span> causing weapons and volume of fire? As for the Dreadknight &gt; dreadnought thing; 1) the conversion would be awesome and 2) I'd rather not have an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>AV</span> to get smash attacked. A W characteristic is much more welcome especially when thy can be armed with Nid friendly force weapons and heavy incinerators for fun.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:31:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ The Shrike]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes you can convert no ones doubting that man, but the workload will be astromonical, you would have to remove all greyknights insignia of all models and find some way of covering the inscriptions on all the models aswell ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 28 Nov 2013 21:50:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Grey Knights as Tyrannic War Veterans army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Having recently finished reading "Deathwatch " novel I have this irresistible feeling that I want to add something like "Talon" squad in my Grey knights army. I 'm not gonna lie it won't be competitive but I really like the fluff behind this..But as you already might know <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> are the military section of Ordo Malleus and not Ordo Xenos and here the fluff is gonna be contradicting is it not ?? I'm trying to build a list (probably 1.5k points) with as fluff wise  units as possible . So having said that (plus the fact that I know very little about Tyrranic wars) here is what I think the list should look like :<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> primary detachment: <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>Hq</span>:<br /> Ordo Xenos <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(272);'>Inq</span> w/ Power armor + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(512);'>NDH</span>  + ulumeathi plasma syphon + rad grenades + phychotroke grenades + master <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 1 (Divination)   103 <br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 10x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(523);'>GKSS</span> w/ 2x Psycannons + 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(512);'>NDH</span> + Psybolt Ammo 250<br /> Henchmen Squad of 3x Warrior Acolytes w/ bolters in a Razorback w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> assault cannon + psybolt ammo  100<br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> Stormraven w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>   205<br /> <br /> Heavy Support :<br /> Dreadnought w/ 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> autocannons + psybolt ammo + searchlight 136   <br /> Dreadnought w/ 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> autocannons + psybolt ammo + searchlight 136   <br /> Dreadnought w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Heavy flamer + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(571);'>DCCW</span> with build in heavy flamer + psyflame ammo  130<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> allied detachment with Red Hunters (Forge World) chapter tactics :<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>Hq</span>:<br /> Librarian w/ Power armor + Force Sword + Bolt Pistol + master <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 2 (don't really know what powers to generate from) 90<br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> 5x Sternguard Squad w/ 1x Heavy Flamer + 1x Melta gun + 2x Combi-Melta  160<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 5x Tactical Squad w/ Heavy Bolter + Veteran Sergeant with bolt pistol + chainsword + melta bombs 95<br /> 5x Tactical Squad w/ Heavy Bolter + Veteran Sergeant with bolt pistol + chainsword + melta bombs 95<br /> <br /> Inquisitor + Librarian + Sternguard and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(588);'>PsyfleDread</span> go into Stormraven  (Red Hunters treat <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> as allies) , <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(523);'>GKSS</span> deep strike (may combat squad so that they also follow Deathwatch kill-team doctrine) , Tactical Squads placed on / rush to Objectives while Dreadnoughts rain down supporting fire from behind .. Henchmen also try to claim middlefields Objectives while Razor shoots its way there ..<br /> <br /> <br /> Of course you 'll have to paint the army black with left arm silver so they look like Deathwatch . I don't know if the above list is close to what you are looking for regarding fluff and/or playstyle .. tell me what you think and hope this helps  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">   ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:10:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Spectral]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ef2c07eeee43c33f794e9a4399a556a1.jpeg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565623/6295768.page"><b>The Shrike wrote:</b></a><br/>And wouldn't a fighting force adapting to Tyranids want <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>ID</span> causing weapons and volume of fire? As for the Dreadknight &gt; dreadnought thing;.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>ID</span> comes from force weapons and the fact that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GKs</span> are psykers. I'm fairly certain that nearly all of the tyrannic war vets aren't pskyers. As far as a dreadknight being used as a dreadnought thing... you'd be better off using a dreadnought to avoid counts-as confusion. Honestly, it feels more like you wanting to use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> codex for ultramarines rather than use C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> to represent them, which, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span> represents tyrannic war veterans much closer.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9dc0d4e057cd3edca4bddcf4fe4ac1b9.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/565623/6296172.page"><b>Spectral wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Inquisitor + Librarian + Sternguard and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(588);'>PsyfleDread</span> go into Stormraven  (Red Hunters treat <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> as allies) , <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(523);'>GKSS</span> deep strike (may combat squad so that they also follow Deathwatch kill-team doctrine) , Tactical Squads placed on / rush to Objectives while Dreadnoughts rain down supporting fire from behind .. Henchmen also try to claim middlefields Objectives while Razor shoots its way there ... </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except models can't ride in allies transports, even if they're battle bros.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:32:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ IndigoJack]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You are absolutely right that C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> represents them closer; because they're Ultramarines! If I were a fluff Nazi, I wouldn't be suggesting this. I want to use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> dex because they are so effective at fighting Nids; and paint them UM colors.<br /> <br /> I started the thread to ask about tactical list building with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> dex; fitting an anti-bug theme; not asking for a fluff discussion. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 29 Nov 2013 01:40:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ The Shrike]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd go a standard <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> build then.<br /> <br /> Psycannons are your friend, as are terminators.  Against <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(630);'>FMC</span> you'll want a gatling psylencer or two to try to get some grounding tests.  Aside from that, it's honestly a fairly standard list.<br /> <br /> When you post about the fluff and ask for help on making a 'fluffy' tyrannic war vets list, we have to offer input on the fluff aspect too, it's part of the nature of the internet. <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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