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After many years away from the hobby I've decided to get back into 40k, I just wanted to ask you guys what kind of primer is good for undercoating plastic models black. I've been reading up on-line and I've heard everything from only GW all the way down to being able to use anything, even body spray that used on cars(!)

I'm just quite cautious as I don't want to melt my new miniatures, also I'm in the UK if that makes any difference (I've heared some sprays vary from region to region)

Thanks in advance,
Rowanthedawg]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305140.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305190.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305235.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
I use Krylon Dual, personally. It goes on well and has a wide ideal temperature band. You might also want a bottle of brush-on primer for touch-ups after spray-priming; you will never get complete coverage with just aerosol primer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305420.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
I've just been trying both Tamiya normal and fine primers. Both awful, sprayed close or sprayed from afar. The GW Skull White spray is much better.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305489.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305493.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! GW's]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305498.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305545.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305562.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! They don't do a black primer unfortunately, but this one would be the one you want. Should be OK though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305575.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305756.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
I use Tremclad exterior clear coat for brass and other metal fixtures to prevent them from tarnishing when permanently left outside. It took 3-4 years of regular use of getting knocked around and dropped before any of my pewter models had a scratch or chip in their paint. I just went with the heaviest duty stuff I could find and it worked. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6305766.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! imo) if you're getting fully into the hobby and plan to stay for a while, is to get an airbrush and use airbrush primer. You will get good, smooth, thin coats of primer. It is much cheaper than rattle can primers and less susceeptible to weather screwing you over.

You also get the benefit of airbrush techniques, some very simple and easy to use ones which can greatly increase the quality of your models and otherwise open up new techniques such as undershading to make nice highlights with smooth transitions, ie. priming black, spraying grey at 45 degrees, and spraying white from the top and on areas you want to draw the eye, before spraying the thin basecoat on the top. Basically you really want an airbrush : )

Specifically primers, Look into Vallejo polyurethane Black, Grey and White. 200 ml bottles for ~$8 each. So much value, and they're awesome - but can have a longer curing time, so leave them for ~24 horus before painting over them to be safe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6306233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6306233.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
I recently saw this tip and it really helped making the primercoat much more even.

I like army painter, since they have a lot of colors from which to choose. It's nice to be able to primercoat a model close to the base coat of your model. Anything that takes out a step or two is okay in my book.

Edit: oh, and I highly suggest letting the area where you're spraying air out a bit between sprays. The pigment and accelerant in the air from a previous coat is one of the things that causes fuzzy primer coats. E new spray hits the dust particles and grab on to them their way to the model, and then you get fuzzy spray. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6306666.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6306666.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! GW primer and paint sticks to it very well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6307898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6307898.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
 SilverMK2 wrote:
They don't do a black primer unfortunately, but this one would be the one you want. Should be OK though.


Halford's do advise using this primer for plastic:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_203947_langId_-1_categoryId_165505
but I never have.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6308491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6308491.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
rowanthedawg wrote:
Hi all,

After many years away from the hobby I've decided to get back into 40k, I just wanted to ask you guys what kind of primer is good for undercoating plastic models black. I've been reading up on-line and I've heard everything from only GW all the way down to being able to use anything, even body spray that used on cars(!)

I'm just quite cautious as I don't want to melt my new miniatures, also I'm in the UK if that makes any difference (I've heared some sprays vary from region to region)

Thanks in advance,
Rowanthedawg


Well, I use this stuff which is unbranded £1.25 per can and is actually pretty decent, but I'm not sure what you have around but but some and test it on sprues or something.

Good luck man.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6308580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6308580.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers!
Never fuzzy, cheep, works.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6310156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6310156.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers! cold to spray prime when you live in Edmonton Alberta. Waiting untill spring to be able to properly prime with spray paint just isn't a option, and didn't want to gas myself out trying to use the stuff indoors.

Also fun fact. I'm prety sure "Imperail primer" from GW is just repackaged Black Gesso.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314298.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers!
Oh and IP seems more like black paint thinned to much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314345.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! GW ... both work ok (well the white gw spray i never had good luck with) ... Gesso sometimes doesn't give me a smooth enough coat ... for a mini it is ok but for a ship or something with smooth sides it isn't.

recently tho i started picking up rusteolum branded camo paint (the bottle the says bonds with plastic) they have about 6 shades of green, brown/red, tan, and a black and works great ... covers most army colors ... or at least something close enough to it ..

have yet to try army painter ... have some on order but it keeps getting put on backorder from where i ordered it from. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314389.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers! GW spray primers. That and I can buy 6 cans for the price of 1 GW. I haven't tried it on some of the finer detailed models or finecast models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314417.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314575.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers!
The main advantages are that it's fairly easy to get, the big 500ml cans will cover maybe a couple of hundred mini's, and it's a reasonable price compared to other brands *cough*GW*cough*

I haven't varnished a mini for a while (I'm a recently returned modeller as well) but in the past I used Halfords matt lacquer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6314925.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
SilenzZzz wrote:
(well the white gw spray i never had good luck with)



I had problems with skull white before I started spraying from a bout 50cm away.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6315083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6315083.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
 sing your life wrote:
SilenzZzz wrote:
(well the white gw spray i never had good luck with)



I had problems with skull white before I started spraying from a bout 50cm away.


i tried everything ... first spray i carried back to store and they swapped out for another can .. (was about 80f and 40% humidity with little wind, but it bubbled up some and fuzzed badly from about 12" away)

second can did the same thing .. so i tried moving inward and further outward ... with no luck ... so shelved the can till temp was a bit cooler and got the same results ... so at that time switched to gesso and started using it .

recently tried the black GW can and it worked ok on terrain stuff ... but still app about using it on mini's ...

started using the rustoleum for some bulk mini basecoating and it has worked great. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6315287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6315287.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6315343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6315343.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers!
PhantomPhixer wrote:
If you have access to an airbrush, I HIGHLY recommend the Vallejo Surface Primers. They can be bought from just about all the major sellers (Amazon, War Store etc) and they are fantastic. Cover really well, very thin, tough as (plastic) nails etc. And you can spray them indoors without all the fumes and hassle of the rattle cans.


i actually looked for that at a local shop that carries some vallejo (mostly their model color line) before i decided to pick up the rusteloum stuff instead ...

may try to order some in a few colors i know i could use and give it a go .. still learning to use the airbrush

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Army Painter sprays are very inconsistent in my expreience, one can can be great and the next absolute rubbish so I tend to avoid them where possible.

But for the origional question go GW, its worth the extra couple of quid IMO]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6318916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6318916.page GMT Re:Primers, Primers, Primers!
GW black is very forgiving, but it's more an acrylic paint than a real primer. It's solid on plastic but I avoid it for resin or metal. I've tried some cheaper versions from local hardware stores and discounters but most sprayed on more thickly than model primers. I would avoid Vallejo primers in cans, their airbrush ones are great though.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6323108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6323108.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6323365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6323365.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6326888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6326888.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! GW's Chaos Black spray primer. It's got a good tooth to it (the quality that makes it retract a bit, thereby clarifying edges, corners, etc.).

Krylon is another popular one. I've used their black spray primer, and it's decent. It's not quite as dark (GW's is pretty much jet black), and it's more of a matte (GW's is pretty glossy). It doesn't have quite as much tooth as GW's, but the can I have has about 25% more primer and cost about 1/3 of what GWs cost.

I've heard lots of good things about Gesso and Vallejo, but, if I understand correctly, they're both exclusively brush-on primer, and, milliliter-for-milliliter, more expensive than GW's spray primer. Of course, with brush on, you're not going to lose much, if any, where a decent amount of your spray primer will be lost to whatever your model is on as you spray.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6345421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6345421.page GMT Primers, Primers, Primers! GW's black, GW's was easy to use but I am still having one hell of a time stripping it meanwhile the army painter seems to be a bit finicky to get it "right" but strips with ease.

Not sure if that would be a plus or minus in your book but for me and how often I decide I did not like my paint job and want to redo it I will never use my GW primer again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6346087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566193/6346087.page GMT