<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "That eldar procreation thing."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net That eldar procreation thing.
You see I knew this girl that once talked about having 3 parents and later on I wanted to break it to her (jokingly) that you can't get 3 parents from having a 3-way on the same night.

Well the thing is eldar totally can! In fact they can have DNA added from more than one father last I heard. So what then? Is there like a Maury show for them where they introduce like 10 guys as the fathers? Also if it took so much for accidental birth for eldar the only way you could have a child unknowingly is if you had lots of unprotected sex *erm* dark eldar *erm*. I mean it's not like your protection would 'break' like 20 times in a row at the worst possible time. Though to be fair eldar are space hippies anyway and their race is dying so they probably don't care.

So anyway what are your guys thoughts on this. This is partly in jest but I'm rather curious about this somewhat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6310236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6310236.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6310257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6310257.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
Mass Effect has a mechanism by which the Asari only produce female children and breed by absorbing some kind of "essence" from another person (of any race or gender) to fertilize their eggs. This concept could easily be extended to multiple parents when you're talking about magical future psychic space elves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6310295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6310295.page GMT Re:That eldar procreation thing.

One thing is that the Eldar avoid excess of emotions to avoid Slannesh, and that really isn't conducive to reproducing. Especially when you need to do it multiple times.

This certainly doesn't help the species survive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6312276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6312276.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Now leaving out the whole human/eldar thing for now. I have another thing to ponder.

You see I knew this girl that once talked about having 3 parents and later on I wanted to break it to her (jokingly) that you can't get 3 parents from having a 3-way on the same night.

Well the thing is eldar totally can! In fact they can have DNA added from more than one father last I heard. So what then? Is there like a Maury show for them where they introduce like 10 guys as the fathers? Also if it took so much for accidental birth for eldar the only way you could have a child unknowingly is if you had lots of unprotected sex *erm* dark eldar *erm*. I mean it's not like your protection would 'break' like 20 times in a row at the worst possible time. Though to be fair eldar are space hippies anyway and their race is dying so they probably don't care.

So anyway what are your guys thoughts on this. This is partly in jest but I'm rather curious about this somewhat.


Eldar don't have unplanned children. They, in fact, have very few children. Their birth rate is much lower than their mortality rate, it is why they are a dying species. Living on Craftworlds as they do, they probably don't have nuclear family models, but instead are "raised by the village", so to speak. Eldar children probably know who their mother is (and, for all we know, Eldar lineages may be traced matrilinearly), as she is probably the primary care-giver, but probably does not even consider who their father(s) may have been.

There is also the option that, while it takes multiple couplings for an Eldar female to become pregnant, she might be doing this with just one male. In such cases, you do end up with a nuclear family, and clear parentage.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
It does appear that it would be possible for there to be multiple fathers with Eldar.


One thing is that the Eldar avoid excess of emotions to avoid Slannesh, and that really isn't conducive to reproducing. Especially when you need to do it multiple times.

This certainly doesn't help the species survive.


Only where emotional content is required for the race to procreate. Humanity could easily survive with modern conception methods that don't require the genetic mother and father to ever have met. All that is required is a woman willing to use her womb for a while, and if we eer come up with artificial wombs then not even that. Childbearing could even be regarded as an Eldar Path.

Eldar are declining because they are lazy and self centred.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6314357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6314357.page GMT Re:That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6316737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6316737.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
I go with the theory that, before the height of their civilisation, they became utterly dependent upon artificial means to procreate, as well as getting very involved in the genetic modification of their offspring (designer babies, basically). During their height, their extreme lifespans increased to near-immortality by their highly advanced medicine, all illness eradicated, all threats beneath them, the technology fell into disuse as Eldar had less and less need for reproduction.

Post-Fall, with this technology lost, Eldar simply struggle with an extremely low fertility rate, perhaps due to modifications designed to strengthen the species that inhibit sexual reproduction (which wouldn't be considered a negative in a society where the proposed technology would be so easily accessed, especially since the Eldar were very assured of their continued dominance).

Also, they may be aliens, but DNA is DNA.

shivman wrote:
I always thought of this as the eldar female simply collecting DNA from one father until there is enough to make a child.


"Enough to make a child" is not how fertilisation works. It requires only two cells, one from each parent (that's nothing in terms of actual matter).

You'd think that they'd be okay, what with the 1000-year lifespan and how the Craftworlds tend to keep to themselves. I think of it like the krogan; despite their low fertility rate and lamenting about their doom, they could survive perfectly fine if they made a definite effort to rebuild their numbers, but they just don't do it, for whatever reason.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317235.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
They have rebuilt numbers, but they can't do 'big' numbers like the IOM due to the smaller initial number just after the fall (which would have killed probably over 99.9% of them).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317600.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
Now imagine if you have all the same problems, a much more complicated reproductive cycle, and the plummeting of men's hormonal health has been occuring on the order of thousands of years and everything is in space. That is a ball park look at the Eldar problem. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317697.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. The fluff does not really go into detail about this (for good reasons :p) so any information we have on the subject is extremely sketchy at best.

I will go with the theory that the Eldar have trouble reproducing because they are unable to differentiate between males and females, since all their males look so feminine. They probably wear dresses too...
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 Silverthorne wrote:
Fertility in the West is cratering and most western countries only keep their population above replacement levels by massive immigration programs. A lot of that is social but on a real level the virility and free testosterone of men all over the world is less than 40% of what it was 60 years ago.


Wikipedia would suggest otherwise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility#Causes]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317725.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
The chemical destruction of masculinity is a dark cloud on the horizon but it hasn't hit yet. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317757.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317786.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6317844.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6318053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6318053.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6318865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6318865.page GMT Re:That eldar procreation thing.
I would think they could possibly be reused once the soul is sent back.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6319104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6319104.page GMT Re:That eldar procreation thing.
Why not explore the possibility that the problem may be spiritual? When a sentient being dies, its soul go to the Warp. Where does the soul of a new born come from? I guess it comes from the Warp too.

Eldar souls can be specially difficult to create, given that they are a feast for one of the most powerful entity in the Warp. You need to somehow trick Slaanesh to give the foetus a soul.

Artificial means are tipically regarded as inferior to natural means in this regard, with cloning sometimes creating beings without souls. This is the reason this methods are not widely used by the Imperium, and perhaps this is the reason any unnatural mean is not ever contemplated for the Eldar.

Add in two "emotional" factors for natural means:
1) If they get too passional while doing it, they turn insane or fall to Slaanesh.
2) They are selfish as hell. All Eldar see themselves as the center of the universe. They can only get out of the shell if they really like the other one, in which case they become obssesed with him/her to a point a human cannot imagine.

This does not apply to Exodites. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6319741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6319741.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
 Flinty wrote:
Soulstones are limited and kinda one use only. Path if the Outcast has a ranger group go on a mission to a Crone world to pick up a bunch before the Daemons can sniff them out.


Yep. I also recall reading that Wraithknights had been created with this exact purpose, retrieving soulstones from daemon-infested Crone Worlds.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320326.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
Not sure how it works as apparently a Dark Eldar can survive without feeding Slaanesh through torture etc if they shift to another faction?

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Craftworld Eldar are protected by their Soul Stones and by being in normal space. Also by avoiding anything that would draw Slannesh's attention such as direct use of psychic powers(Runes protect seers while they use their powers)

Maiden World Eldar have soulstones too, and the planets have Infinity Matrices too IIRC.

Dark Eldar avoid Slannesh by replacing what Slannesh takes away. Slannesh siphons away their life energy, and the Dark Eldar practices replace it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320513.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.

The wierd thing is that one of the Corsair Captians in the Path books is Dark Eldar but appears not to have to feed Slaanesh any more as she is drifting towards the other factions..........

I wonder how one becomes the other - if a Craftworld Eldar joins the dark Eldar (again path books) does he keep his sou stone or undergoe a ritual to allow him the other way.

In the same way Trueborn children - are they automatically linked to She who Thirsts............

Its quite interesting - to me at least ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320600.page GMT Re:That eldar procreation thing.
They each simply have different ways of avoiding the damage, and could freely transition from one to the other.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320620.page GMT That eldar procreation thing. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6320631.page GMT That eldar procreation thing.
 Mr Morden wrote:
Yeah I get that

I wonder how one becomes the other - if a Craftworld Eldar joins the dark Eldar (again path books) does he keep his sou stone or undergoe a ritual to allow him the other way.


Basically DE are cruel bastards wanting to live forever. So they make deals with their Haemonculi to be bodily reconstructed from little pieces (via 'Pain and Suffering of others" of course). Existence as "shadows" in soulstone/Infinity Circle is not something they fond of, so they do not raid EoT for blank stones. But given choice "death and be dinner of Slaanesh" or existence in SS they chose SS.
Real question is - do bein' captured in SoulStone interfere with Haemonculi ressurection tech? If no, then absence of SS will be only sign of defiance/arrogance/not showing weakness. But answer is most probably yes...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6342652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/566489/6342652.page GMT