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Company Command: 4 Plasmaguns, plasmapistol 120

Platoon Command: Autocannon, Heavy Flamer 60
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Heavy: Autocannons 75
Heavy: Autocannons 75

Platoon Command: Autocannon, Heavy Flamer 60
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Heavy: Autocannons 75
Heavy: Autocannons 75

Vendetta 130

Griffon + Medusa 210
Griffon + Medusa 210
Manticore: 160

Void Relay:
3 Void Shield Generators: 3 shields each
Promethium Relay

Whole army deploys in the Void Shield bubble so that's 9 AV12 hull points before you can even start shooting at me. Command goes in 'Detta to go after high priority targets.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6323593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6323593.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness gens in your local Meta?
normally your not.

But in either case a lot of autocannons ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6323730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6323730.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness

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Upping it to 2k creates ultimate stupidity. Who can do 18 HPs in a turn? Here's the list:

CCS: Autocannon, HF 80
CCS: Autocannon, HF 80

Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90
Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90
Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90
Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90

Armoured Sentinel: Autocannon 60
Manticore 160
Manticore 160
Griffon + Medusa 210
Griffon + Medusa 210

Yeah I drop from 18 autocannons to just 7 but go to 8 torrent flamers from 4 and gain a Manticore. But who'll ever get to shoot at this list? Say you remove 10 HPs in a shooting phase (equivalent firepower of 30 autocannons, so a decent return) them you get 6-10 pie plates in your face plus those autocannons. And I grow back on average 3. So if I do as little as 30% damage to your AT (the only thing I'd target whilst Void Shields are around) you do 7 still leaving me with 4 and I grow back 4-5. You run out of AT long before I run out of shields. Even a 9 Broadside and double Riptide list will only strip about 14-15 HPs a turn (assuming no S6+ elsewhere in list, so even with that you'll be luck to do more than 16 in turn 1, Then Griffon+Medusa nails a broadside unit each, Manticores pile more pain on them I should be on about 8-9 shields turn 2 and you'll be in a position where you'll struggle to take more than 4-5 out).

What the hell causes that list a real problem?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6323806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6323806.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness IG codex on me, but I just curious as to why you would put a Griffon in a squadron with a Medusa? It just seems like one of those "Jack of all trades, master of none" type deals.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6324464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6324464.page GMT Re:1850 Guard Silliness
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6324498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6324498.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
The Void shields don't do anything for assault. However the Promethium relay gives all my flame weapons the torrent rule and I have a bajillion large blasts. I'm not worried about assault in this edition. 60 dogs causes me a problem and that's about it.

I suppose it is only 39 points for Inquisitor with Servo skulls I could drop the armoured Sentinel from the 2k list. Good spot from the 1750 a plasma pistol and HF+F go:

Company Command: 4 Plasmaguns 105

Platoon Command: Autocannon, Heavy Flamer 60
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Heavy: Autocannons 75
Heavy: Autocannons 75

Platoon Command: Autocannon 40
Infantry: Autocannon 60
Infantry: Autocannon, flamer 65
Heavy: Autocannons 75
Heavy: Autocannons 75

Vendetta 130

Griffon + Medusa 210
Griffon + Medusa 210
Manticore: 160

Inquisitor: 3 Servo Skulls 39

Void Relay:
3 Void Shield Generators: 3 shields each
Promethium Relay

Then the 2k is:

CCS: Autocannon, HF 80
CCS: Autocannon, HF 80

Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90
Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90
Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90
Vets: Autocannon, 2 Flamers 90

Manticore 160
Manticore 160
Griffon + Medusa 210
Griffon + Medusa 210

Inquisitor: 3 Servo Skulls + 21 points of gear 60

Void Relay:
3 Void Shield Generators: 3 shields each
Promethium Relay

Void Relay:
3 Void Shield Generators: 3 shields each
Promethium Relay ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6324949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6324949.page GMT Re:1850 Guard Silliness ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325446.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325480.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
 FlingitNow wrote:
What else could I drop though? Both Heavy Flamers? I had forgotten the Sentinel is AV12. I don't see where else I find 40 points there's no fat in the list at all.


If you converted those Vet squads to Infantry Platoons you could have the same number of Autocannons, but with 4x Flamer PCS', and flamers in the Infantry Squads, you'd net 4 more flamers and ~40 points to play with.


ETA: Nevermind you're going for double Force Org. I have no idea. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325492.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325517.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
Sorry if this is not normal, its just the way it is done at my local gaming store.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6325814.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326089.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326160.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326166.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326296.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6326332.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
 FlingitNow wrote:
Griffon twin links the Medusa. Plus adds weight of wounds to finish of the stragglers after the Medusa toasts nearly everything.



You might want to double check that. I believe that would work with another Griffon or a Basilisk when firing Barrage. Griffon fires first, scatter is twin linked, then another scatter is rolled to see where the second and/or third pie plate goes in conjunction with the multiple barrage rules. Medusa is not a Barrage weapon. It's only ordnance. There for, you would fire the griffon. Roll it's 2D6 plus scatter. Then, you would be allowed to refroll it. Then medusa would fire. 2D6 and scatter with no reroll allowed because of Griffon.

Put it with a Bassy and you would get one reroll for the Griffon, but not the Earthshaker cannon.

Griffon with more Griffons, reroll everything pretty much.

That's my understanding of it. If I'm missing something, please feel free to inform me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327246.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness

I'd probably just split the Griffons off then as I have the HS slots. Or trade them both for another Medusa?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327302.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness GUO is gonna be a real issue. Any Daemon that can DS next to you is going to render your templates as dangerous as they are helpful. With your inf bunched up that way one or two bad rolls and you are going to wipe 10+ of your own dudes a turn. Hounds and Spawn can take enough wounds to tie up the inf. while the FMC's clean up the artillery.

If I can get a black mace anywhere in that big ol nasty then each wound wipes 2/3's of the bodies within 12in.

A Dirge Caster is Necessary but if I can get a LR close enough to count your entire egg is cracked.

I play Chaos (clearly), but in this case a Dirge Caster or two and a properly equipped Character/MC or two with an Allied GUO would all arrive withing 12 in. of you turn two and be out of LOS turn one. Would have a decent chance of murdering you. Not a great counter but a quick one. You could easily get eatin by an airforce Chron list also. The chainlightning/Immotek + Wraiths would cause real issue, with Night Fight being a contributor. I don't play Chrons but I imagine with no AA it would be difficult at best for an ARTY list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327336.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness GUO is not a FMC so it really isn't a worry. Quad Flyrant would be more of a concern. A DP will have too much S10 to contend with unless you get ironarm. Yeah the CSM codex is not one to fear, Helldrakes, Oblits and black maces are their only competitive units and none are great against this build. Daemons are more of a problem but it is the dogs list that concerns me most.

This list is designed to fight all the shooty lists that are top tier at the moment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327357.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness str 10 ordnace barrage shot, and hits around 10 of your guys. Remember if you want your void shields to overlap eachother you are gonne have to bunch up your units, maybe this idea seems alot better in theory.
Sure you can beat a guy that is totally unprepared for it, but that goes for everything.
Not so sure that the best thing to do, while learning how the new meta is, is to make the most extreme list you can possibly think up. Better go with some balance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327387.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
So, youre playing against a guy, he lets off a str 10 ordnace barrage shot, and hits around 10 of your guys.


So we are playing another guard player. I've a 24" bubble and my list isn't that model heavy so don't assume I'll be massively clumped, ruins further help spreading models between multiple levels. Manticores do cause this list a problem though as they can strip 7-8 HPs each (with about 2 S10 large blasts).

I think extreme lists and coming up with them is one of the best parts of a meta shift particularly one like this with so much potential change available to nearly every army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327433.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
Still, thought I'd have a go at a counter list

2000 point de

2x haemonculus
- liquifier
- venom blade

3 squads of 3 trueborn
- 3 blasters
- venom with extra splinter cannon

3 squads of 5 wyches
- haywire grenades
- venom with extra cannon

2 squads of 9 wyches (haemys go here)
- haywire
- raider with flickerfield

2 squads of 5x scourges
- 2 haywire blasters

2x razorwing jetfighters

1x ravager

This comes about 1960 so I still have a little left over for night shields / wych weapons.

This puts out 9 haywire shots a turn, & 18 lance shots, so dealing 18 hull points is possible. In addition there's then up to 8 larhe blast missiles, & 90 poisoined shots to lower the number of overwatch shots, of which you'll only be able to target one of my assaulting squads as I'll have multiple units charging your blobs.

I think the theory I have is correct though it is late AND a Monday, so apologies if I'm a little off!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6327491.page GMT 1850 Guard Silliness
 FlingitNow wrote:
So, youre playing against a guy, he lets off a str 10 ordnace barrage shot, and hits around 10 of your guys.


So we are playing another guard player. I've a 24" bubble and my list isn't that model heavy so don't assume I'll be massively clumped, ruins further help spreading models between multiple levels. Manticores do cause this list a problem though as they can strip 7-8 HPs each (with about 2 S10 large blasts).

I think extreme lists and coming up with them is one of the best parts of a meta shift particularly one like this with so much potential change available to nearly every army.


Well, do a test deployment, where you get lucky and maybe get 1 multi story ruins in your deployment zone. see how spread out you can get, and it doesnt need to be a guard player, plenty of other codex's have things that can hurt you. Dont forget that when they try to penetrate or glance your shield, you dont get cover saves on those shots.
Im not sayin that the list isnt hard to beat, it sure is. But just pointing out a weakness. Dont pretend it's not there, it gets cold in russia, people need winter clothes to fight...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6328188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/567276/6328188.page GMT