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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey Dakka,<br /> <br /> Going up against Tau in my next game. I know my opponent's army  is a Suit heavy list (no Riptides or Vees).<br /> <br /> So I'm wondering, how do you think this list will fair against a suit heavy team? I plan on contesting objectives with the Tactical Marines and Predators as support. The Sternguard and Pedro make judicious use of cover to advance hard on one flank. Since Pedro gives the Sternguard scoring, I can actually take a point from him while the Tacs make a denial effect. The ASM are there to either lock down a unit, to hit the other exposed flank, or just sit behind the lines in order to prevent an assault from the Tau (since suits do have high strength and good saves <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>iirc</span>).<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b><br /> Pedro Kantor - 185 pts<br /> Honor Guard (6 Marines)  - 160 pts<br /> <br /> <b>Troops</b><br /> Tactical Marines (10 Marines) - 165 pts<br /> Flamer<br /> Multi-Melta<br /> Combi-Grav<br /> <br /> Tactical Marines (10 Marines) - 165 pts<br /> Flamer<br /> Multi-Melta<br /> Combi-Grav<br /> <br /> <b>Elites</b><br /> Sternguard Veterans (10 Marines) - 280 pts<br /> 2x Combi Meltas<br /> 2x Combi Flamers<br /> <br /> <b>Fast Attack</b><br /> Assault Marines (10 Marines) - 205 pts<br /> 2x Flamers<br /> Power Fist<br /> <b><br /> Heavy Support</b><br /> Predator - 120 pts<br /> Twin Linked Lascannon<br /> Heavy Bolters<br /> <br /> Predator - 120 pts<br /> Twin Linked Lascannon<br /> Heavy Bolters<br /> <br /> Thunderfire Cannon -100 pts<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(442);'>PS</span>: I own lots of bodies, but very few vehicles. I do have Terminators in abundance, but I feel like running Terminators against Tau is a recipe for disaster. I do have an additional Razorback (that is convertible to Rhino or Predator, hehehe) and a Land Speeder.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Mirehn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't want to be harsh but it looks a total mess.<br /> <br /> Pedro is OK, but only OK and only worth taking if you're spamming Sternguard. You have 1 squad with no transport. Walking marines are dead marines against Tau.<br /> <br /> Honourguard are a great unit and do very well against Tau. With 6 bodies you'll want 4 Mauls and 2 Axes. But to get them there you need a Landraider, Redeemer or Crusader are both good. Tau struggle with AV14 so a pair of Landraiders will cause them real problems. If you don't have a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> for them drop them and take more Sternguard.<br /> <br /> Two full tactical squads with Pedro? Why just why. Take 2 5 man scout squads. Kit them for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> to dovetail with Pedro (people don't expect scouts with 4 S4 attacks on the charge each). Then spend all those wasted points on more Sternguard. Tactical Marines are one of the worst troops choices in the game they have mediocre survivability but very poor damage output for their points. They are a necessary evil at best in a Pedro list they have no place at all.<br /> <br /> Sternguard need a more defined roll. If you're taking combi meltas you need 3 preferably 4 so you are favourite to kill that tank. 2 combi flamers is good as its enough to do serious damage to a horde particularly with the special ammo support. I like either a squad with 4 combi meltas or a squad with 4 combi-plasmas and 2 Heavy flamers. Those squads pick the right target and kill it in 1 turn. Drop pods are generally the best way to deliver them particularly against a Tau player who hasn't got intercepting Riptides. Walking them is a bad idea.<br /> <br /> Assault marines aren't great. Flamers on them is a bad idea as you'll just kill yourself out of assault range. Again in a Pedro list these are points that should be spent on Sternguard.<br /> <br /> Your Predators make no sense. Everything that the lascannons needs to shoot at can't be hurt by the Heavy Bolters. Whilst what the Heavy Bolters want to shoot at will not be a good target for the lascannon. So every single turn those tanks are wasting their fire power. Go triple las, Autocannon + las or Autocannon + heavy bolter. Taking them in pairs is good taking them with weapons that don't work well together is bad.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> is great the only part of your list I wouldn't change.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:03:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ FlingitNow]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Crimson Fists 1500 pts - Please Critique</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ No, thank you. That was exactly what I was looking for. I just got back into the hobby after being out since 4th.<br /> <br /> I have more than enough bodies, but I'm very short on vehicles: three Rhino chassis vees (convertible with magnets, etc into Rhinos, Razorbacks or Preds), and a Land Speeder. But I do have a gakload of bodies. So unfortunately, my list will be footslogging until I save up the cash to either purchase a couple of Land Raiders off eBay or some bike squads.<br /> <br /> So I'm sitting on 1205 points with this list. I basically just used what you said. I have two ideas after this list:<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b><br /> Pedro Kantor - 185 pts<br /> <br /> <b>Troops</b><br /> Scouts 	5x Scouts - 55 pts<br /> <br /> Scouts	5x Scouts - 55 pts<br /> <br /> <b>Elites</b><br /> Sternguard	10x Sternguard - 280 pts<br /> 4x Combi Melta<br /> 		<br /> Sternguard	10x Sternguard - 300 pts<br /> 4x Combi Plasma<br /> 2x Heavy Flamers<br /> 	<br /> <b>Heavy Support</b><br /> Predator	 - 115 pts<br /> Lascannon Sponsons	<br /> 		<br /> Predator - 115 pts<br /> Lascannon Sponsons<br /> 		<br /> Thunderfire Cannon - 100 pts<br /> <br /> Idea 1) Add another 10x Sternguard with three Combi Gravs, drop one combi each per the other Sternguards, then give every Sternguard Sgt a Power Sword and call it a day. I don't need melta bombs since I know there are no vehicles. Just high T high save Suits like Broadsides.<br /> <br /> Idea 2) Add a Dark Angels Detachment with a Libbie for Divination (use it on a unit that's about to unload with the combi weapons), another Scout squad, and another Predator with an Autocannon and Lascannon Sponsons. With the remaining 50 points, give every scout squad camo cloaks and sniper rifles and have them blow holes in suits with sniper rifles. With the remaining 5 points I'd give the Librarian a Storm Bolter.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Mirehn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sterngyard are good when you give then specific role with combi . There special ammo takes care of other situations. Just go 5 combi weps. Its my pref. Good anti tank/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>Mc</span> and special ammo for others ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well I have a lot of bodies, and I know Terminators are just not very good against Tau. But I'm also aware that Tacs are just not as good as they used to be. So Sternguard is really my only option.<br /> <br /> What do we think of my ideas? 3x Sternguard squads (for all the combi wea or a Prescience Libby, sniper rilfes and a third Pred? ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:22:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mirehn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Does he derp strike his battle suits? If he doesn't then just drop pod 3 sternguard squads with combi gravs or meltas by them and turn 2 he is tabled. If he derp strikes them then you will have to counter (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>id</span> recommend going second) but you should still be able to murder them easily.<br /> <br /> But honestly Pedro isn't that great, you should take librarian tiggy for the rerolls to reserves and divination.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:34:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ No Droppods, so I will elect to go second. If he deep strikes then I'll eat his face. Gonna to go two combat squads of Sternguard, take the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> Libby for Prescience, the extra scout squad and extra Pred. This does give me seven scoring units, so if I can get Linebreaker on him it'll hurt.<br /> <br /> I know Pedro isn't great, but he is reasonable <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>imho</span>. If I take Tiggy lose four scoring units and have to keep three squads of +4 scouts alive. But the more and more I think about this list, the more I like it. Scouts keep things pinned while the Sternguard and Preds go after everything else.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:59:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mirehn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would swap a pred for a 2nd <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span>. You then have two of each.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:07:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ FlingitNow]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah. I guess I could proxy the second Thunderfire. Good idea <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:11:50]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mirehn]]></author>
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