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Primary Blood Angels
HQ
Mephiston with codex powers

Elite
3x Fragnought with hflamer in Drop Pod

Troops
2x 5 Assault Marines with Plasma Pistol and sarge 1 with TH+SS, sarge 2 power maul+SS
in Razorbacks with #1 LasCan+TL Plasma and #2 TL Heavy Bolter+HK missile

Ally Space Marine
HQ
CM with bike, AA, Shield Eternal, TH, Auspex

Troops
5 bikers with 2 grav, 1 combi-grav

Heavy
3 Centurions with 3 ML + 3 grav cannon and omniscope

The list should be fun to run as everything except the cents are going to be putting pressure turn 1. It is weak on troops but I can live with that.

Now should I play the allies as White Scars for their movement, hit and run, and HoW benefits OR as Imperial Fists because it benefits the bikers and centurions both OR as Iron Hands to make an even worse beatstick OR as Ultrasmurfs for obvious reasons.

Right now I am thinking they should be WS or IF.

I've tried to put in elements that simply cannot be ignored. With the Fragnoughts, CM and bikers making a nice alpha strike, I should have a turn to get my assault troops, Mephy and Centurions in better positions. I'll try to position my AV13 in such a way that they might survive a turn of shooting.

I am aware that this list falls apart against lists such as Wave Spam, but I'll try to take them out with grav, ML and orbital. And hey, my Fragnoughts might get in some to their back armor ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342153.page GMT WS allies. Better jink saves, HoW and mostly H&R give you much greater versatility and tactical options than a re-roll against vehicles which cents will likely wreck anyway by grav cannons only.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342183.page GMT SS for definite (use the wrecks of the soon to be dead razors to block LOS if worried), and the plasma pistols, and probably also downgrade the th to a power weapon. Also get rid of hunter killer missiles. These changes wilp save you 125pts.
If you want to take out tanks with the dreads, dont upgrade to a h.flamer, keep the melta gun and instead upgrade to the magna grapple for 15 pts (only 5 pt difference on the flamer). This means on the drop you will have 2 st 6 rending flamers, 1 melta gun shot and 1 st 8 ap 1 shot that can even move tanks, this weapon means the furiosos can deal with hordes, tanks, squadrons and even meq/teq on the drop.


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If you upgrade the dreads, you will have 110pts to spend. That means you can afford 10 bolter scouts which you can combat squad... now giving you a much safer amount of scoring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342193.page GMT BA player I've always loved tooling up my assault squads a bit, but never like this. I'll make some modifications as suggested. Will re-post later.

I'm not so sure about the scouts and WS tactics, though. Would it not then be better to be IF or UM? Although I suppose H&R is pretty much mandatory for the CM.

What do you think of TFC or Stormtalon instead?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342264.page GMT mm... or 2 attack bikes with mm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342574.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6342574.page GMT
Fragnoughts dropped hflamer, got frag cannon and bfist/meltagun.

Assault squads dropped all tools, now both teams have a flamer and team #1 sergeant has power maul, sarge #2 is standard.

Added Stormtalon with Skyhammer missiles as allied fast.

Also CT will be White Scars in the end. Exactly 1850 points. I was going to test it tomorrow, unfortunately my opponent can't make it..

That Stormtalon is 125 pts, do I have a better option? I could take those 10 scouts, give 5 of them snipers and one heavy bolter, in combat squads. That setup comes to 1848 points. Maybe it gives me better backfield protection and snipers can be useful.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6343207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6343207.page GMT AA cover.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6343374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568232/6343374.page GMT