http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net After some more reading and mathhammer I have somewhat settled on a list.

HQ
Azreal
Belial
440 points

Troops
2 X 10 man Deathwing Terminator Squad with 1 chainfist, Assault Cannon and CML 480 each Belial to DS in with one of these and other to come in on bike teleport homer
2 X Ravenwing Attack Squadron with 6 bikers, Attack Bike with MM and LS with Typhoon ML 281 each

Elites
Deathwing Knights with Relic and LR Crusader with Deathwing upgrade to house them and Azrael

If I go first and can get bikes out near enemy I will be focusing on a flank that I think I can crush by bringing in all the TL goodness of 21 shooty Terminators, all the bikes and the LRC. If I go second I will only scout if I can get behind cover. I hope to deliver the DK and Azrael to the biggest threat and crush it. DK Kinght Master can take any challenges while WS6 str 6 ap 3 mastercrafted Azrael lays about him. And let's not forget the maces. If as I expcet is more likely, and the LRC gets shot up, well an invuln save of 3+ should let them march up while 21 termies and 18 vehicles tie up hopefully large parts of the army. Anything I can't wipe I hope to charge with the bike to tie up and shoot the rest then hit and run to free them up for more shots and charge whatever else I need to tie up. Not many models but a lot of versatile abilities in Deathwing and Ravenwing so we will see. Biggest thing I would love is hard critique of the list and advice on what to shoot first lol. I know Riptides are a huge problem and wave serpents must go as well. Thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568817/6352228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568817/6352228.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568817/6352238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568817/6352238.page GMT DK which puts me over my cap, only by 7 points but no idea what is left I can cut. I would also lose my transport/tank which would let me jack up the model count... I am torn. More shooting terms that have to slog up the field and no combat monsters but another scoring unit or my combat deletion unit... would love some advice. Thanks as you have definitely given me something to consider. With only the 2 bike squadrons to start on the board besides the reserve limit is 2 units I believe.


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A partial solution hit me last night. I will break the 1 man units down to 5 man units and have 4. Simpl and gives me 6 scoring units. With Fearless they don't care how many die, they stick. Also, wil prevent template blasts from getting as many.

Edit also realized I can't have 4 units in reserve so can only break up one of them to a 5 man unit. Still better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568817/6352270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/568817/6352270.page GMT