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Shield and FoD

Furioso x3
Frag cannon, magna grapple, meltagun.
Pod

Assault squad x2
Melta gun, infernus pistol
Pod

Assault squad
2 flamers, 10man

Baal x3 (either outflank or scout, situation dependent)
Flamestorm, heavy flamers

Vindicator x2

Raven
Assault cannon, multimelta

Libby shields his squad and both vindis. Furiosos drop turn 1. If opponent castles in the centre, vindis slaughter. If opponent spreads out to the flanks, flamestorms arrive next to units and burn. Not to take against traditional A lists. The alpha strike of 6 st6 rending templates, 3 magnagrappple, 3 melta gun, 3 st6 ap 3 templates (if scouting) and 2 st10 ap1 blasts should be nice to put down if I get 1st turn.


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Lots of hard counters mind...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6362855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6362855.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6362869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6362869.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6362896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6362896.page GMT
As for the Raven; it's a great gambit when it works. But oh boy if you're raven gets shot down; all of a sudden your scouts are mush from impact.

You have enough melta to deal with tanks from the Furiosos, troops and raven (which needs an LC over AC). And you have enough anti-MEQ from all the flamestorm. So I'd actually drop a Vindicator to iron out your troop problem.

Other than that, I like it man. It's about as strong as BA can get right now. You'll give a lot of inexperienced (bandwagon) Tau/Eldar players a hard time. And even against vets, the list has the tools to give most lists a run for their money at least.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366340.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366340.page GMT Yeh - the ac/las debate I guess always ends as personal choice. AC has greater or even probabilities against almost everything but las has the range.
If I drop a vindi instead as you suggest I could go for 5 scouts with snipers and 5 with bp & ccw and give the sargeant melta bombs for a nasty surprise for any passing tank.
I'll do what you say and go for one with talons, i'll use one of my dc dreads as a 'counts as', I love the talons too!
Cheers for your input!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366449.page GMT AV 11 sides. I think this looks decent vs Tau, but if they take out the dreads, the Riptides can stomp all your other tanks trivially in HTH. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366674.page GMT BA don't have access to Storm Talons, one would be a perfect sub for the remaining Vindy.

At least until you get a nex codex, Vanguard vets are decent anti-serpent. Drop, multi-assault 2 of them. Fist on sgt blows one, combined krak grenades get a decent chance at popping another. The raven is good against any vehicles of course; which is why I advocate the LC > AC because of range and +1 from AP2 on chart.

Other than Vanguard, if you can find a way to fit in a second raven that would obviously be ideal but I just don't see how you can get there without going all scouts on troops in addition to losing the Vindy. Then you're only getting 2 Furiosos in T1....it creates as many problems as it solves.

Armies have bad match ups. You're not giving up the game against all Eldar, just serpent spam Eldar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366721.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366768.page GMT BA list can kill Seer Council at this point, though.

List looks nifty, I'm not a fan of Flame Baals, purely because if they get immobilized, they become useless. I like AC + HF, just in case you get that close.

Lucarik]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366777.page GMT Lol, I prefer flamestorm and HB. So many flawed choices in the BA codex. It was like this in 5th, too. But we could mask it with razor spam. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6366808.page GMT I know exactly what you are saying martel about the serp spam, as my most regular opponent runs them and I have lost everytime I play an av13 spam against it. And this ones even more extreme av 13, as my usual involves 2 ravens but only 1 furioso. So against serp spam the problem wilp be concentrated not diluted with this list.
All I can hope for really is to land the melta pods next to serps who have used their shields, shoot down a couple with the raven and/or catch one with my flamer units krak granades.
Tbf Shrike ive been so against the insane price of the vanguard vets that I hadnt even considered taking down serps with them, that is actually a really good idea for future lists when I want to tailor against my eldar mate!
Lucarik, I know what you mean about the problem with the flamer baal. I do find that running as a flamer baal threatens the opponent a lot more when outflanking. But immobilization can screw it over. I would probably go with hb rather than ac (mainly because I only have 1 ac baal, whilst my fs baals are 1 naked, 2 with hfs and 2 with hbs, suppose I could always proxy them though), but ac does have its advantages such as rear armour shots after outflanking. Its a toughy to call!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6367156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6367156.page GMT BA but the idea came to me from my Ymgarls. It's basically the same idea. They're the best serpent-killers I have and I suspect, the same is true for you.

As for the the baal's, if you have 1 AC I say take it. 2 Flamestorms is still plenty.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6367481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569366/6367481.page GMT