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Master of the forge conversion beamer, 110


Troops

taq 6xmen 1xlascanon vet sgnt 115
taq 5xmen 1xmulti melta vet sgnt 90

Elites
Assault centurians 3xmen, 3xtwinlinked meltgun,3x hurrican bolter 205
Assault centurians 3xmen, 3xtwinlinked meltgun,3x hurrican bolter 205
dreadnought, 2xtwinlinked auto canon 120

Heavey support
Land raider cruesader mutli melta 260
Land raider cruesader multi melta 260

Vindicator 125

I reckon it ll wreck face but wont make me any friends!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370896.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370930.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points
the taqs go in a building bolstered by the master of the forge and can spend the whole game going to ground if need be for a 2+ cover save!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370940.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
I'm not entirely sure how it would win games actually. You're anti-flier is horrendous. Daemon princes would wreck you, as would screamers (not even screamer star).

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An Ironclad would fit in very nice. Grav Centurians would help. bumping your tactical units to 10 so you can combat squad them would be helpful for objective missions.

Grav Centurians are serviceable against fliers (3 twin-linked Missile Launchers is not horrible either, that's a S8 hit on a flier)

One landraider is probable good enough. Makes the Assault dudes work.

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Edit: Cover Saves are too easy to remove. A CSM player with one Heldrake will destroy all your scoring (no cover saves AP3 == toast for all your scoring in 2-3 turns)

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Edit 2: My Iron Hands list would be | Chapter Master, 2x10 units of Tacticals, 6xIronclads in Drop Pods]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370948.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370964.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
I'm just not seeing the strength of this list. I'm not trying to be mean I'm trying to help you. Let's go through a quick exercise against those top 3 (just common builds not power builds)

Vs Daemons (Couple flying biggies, dogpile, soul grinder etc)

They have things that can crunch your land raiders and vindicators while eating your Vindicators shots with universal invulnerable saves. The dog pile will be grimoired so once they Hellfire Gaze your land raider, you get tarpitted and slowly skewered by 20 khorne dogs with a 3++.

Vs Eldar: Wraithknights have Strength 10 Distort weapons and there's haywire grenades running around. Except they won't need much of that because they won't have to engage you. They'll kill you troops with ease from 60" away and when your raiders get close, their bikes and serpents will turbo boost right over you and run away, and recommence shooting you to pieces.

Vs Tau: Suicide fusion suits, Riptide mounted, ripple fired fusion, pirhanas with fusion, any of these things make quick work of AV14. And 3 models in each with 6 wounds and T5 will just get volume-of-fired to death.

Look, a lot of your problems go away if you sub Land Raiders for Stormravens. Now you've got some defense and you can easily kick the centurions (half of which should be grav remember...) out the door with little worry of hurting them on impact. Lose the Vindy and the points you save from that and the downgrade to ravens gets you more scoring, which solves your other problem. THEN I think it's decent.

That's just my .02, if your meta isn't super competitive, then by all means take this as is and have a ball.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370975.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points then the centurians have 7 strength 9 inv 4 ap2 hits !]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370977.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
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Edit: In your example, you just focused your entire army on one Daemon Prince. Keep in mind that your Assaulty dudes hit on 5's in close combat and the Daemon prince also goes first. He can also smash to insta-gib guys (3 attacks, 2 hits, 2-dead guys, no invul save).

In a 1500 list, you could potentially face 2 of these bad-boys against a Daemon player.

Your Land Raider Crusaders are getting between 6-12 S4 TL shots hitting on 6's. That's 4 S4 hits wounding on 5's and the prince has a 3+ save. He doesn't care. He's going to land and eat a Land Raider.

You're opponent will have other things to attack your dudes with too... so ya, not going to end well for you in most situations against CSM or Daemons.

You'll matchup decently against Orks.

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Sorry for the Harsh criticism, but the list isn't as competitive as you'd think. I also think it'd be fun to play against, no need to worry about "not making friends"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370981.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points

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lol so how does demon prince kill a landraider in one round of attacks?


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4 hull points av14? how many attacks does it even have 5? first off it has to hit with 4 of them at least and then penetrate , 6 plus 2d6 right? average s12 with those same 4 unlikely


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my post still stands as soon as the demonprince lands it will be shot to death by the land raider then its contents 3 twinlinked meltguns, and three hurrican bolters, i wouldnt even need to charge it. it would be moosh]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6370987.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
Soulgrinders don't get to smash, so they don't get to re-roll to for a 5-6.

To be honest, I'd probably fly the princes directly at your Master of the Forge and Troops, because once those are dead, you almost can't win (unless it's killpoints).

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I've had my Daemon Prince kill a Landraider most of the time. Usually you get two pens and an explodes. With the re-roll, that's 55% to get the exploads result.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371004.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points

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2-3 attacks wich still have to hit doubtful it will kill it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371006.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points
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demon prince t6 invun 5+ or 3+ norm 4 wounds.. its nothing


T5 actually. Yes, they're squishy, but you're putting a lot of points into dealing with that one risk.

Edit: 5 attacks on his profile, with smash, that's 5/2 rounding up, +1 for the charge. Hitting on 3's, S10, re-rolling failed pens. 2-3 *hits* that re-roll fails. You're dead over half the time. Also, hitting on 6's you're unlikely to stop the guy, especially if Kairos happens to be on the board or dude has two.

Without powers, those Princes cost less than the Landraider, so they pay for themselves immediately.

That list has *other things* in it. Like 20-40 little daemons and 9 screamers

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What would you do to Necrons? Dude takes 1-3 Doomscythes, what's your solution then?

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How do you deal with Jetseer or Waveserpent Spam? Both of those wreck all your non-mounted things.

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Edit: One heldrake also can kill all your scoring, easily, on the turn he comes in, he deletes a unit (re-rolling to wound) with no cover saves, then takes 1-2 turns to kill the other unit, and you have *nothing* that can really hurt or stop it.

I'm bringing up things that competitive players will bring against you in a tournament environment. You would have trouble with some fluffy lists too, like Necron Warriors (Ghost Arks, dudes on foot even) | Orks would overwhelm you | Dark Eldar with all the Haywire and Dark Lances | ---

Sorry dude, looks like a fun list, but competitive it's not. Maybe it works good for your local meta??? Anyway, have fun with it, looks like it's lotsa fun to play.

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Edit one more time :-) *hugs* || Roll 4-dice, re-roll any 3+'s, if any of those aren't a 4+, re-roll them. If any of those dice are a 5+, you're landraider is gone. Repeat 30 times. That'll give you a sense of how often you can expect your raider to be deceased (if not severely handicapped). I'll run the exact stats for you. Edit: Math says 1/3rd of the time, not factoring in immobalized, weapon destroyed, or stunned results. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371018.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371069.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points
I think the raven idea is viable but personally i hate them (dont like the model) but you def need something to knock down air. The CSM chicken will eat everything unless you can knock it down fast.

I love running land raiders but necons and anything that can move melta really fast (tau) or lance (eldar) will make short work of them.

Dont play against many deamons so I cant really say on that case.

At any rate, you NEED AA fire from somewhere. I recommned dropping the vindi for either a flyer or at the very least an ADL or bastion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371082.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points dmg table don't think you will


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and thats if hes not grounded first by 12 rerolling bolter shots 4 rerolling assult shots, and a multi melta]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371387.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
Why assult centurions ?? They straight suck dude. Centurions are only viable with grav and tigarus

Your troops wouldn't last one turn
The techpriest is the only thing holding you board edge (easy line breaker)

Vindicators work best in two's

And also a deamon prince could easily kill a land raider smash attacks especially with black mace +d6 attacks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371453.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
The majority (100% it seems, outside of yourself) agree .. this list will suffer to a great number of armies. I can think of a number of ways to take it down at 1500 points by T3/T4, with another Marine army even.

I think you're putting too much faith in a couple of small things (Iron hands and 2 LR's specifically)
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I put the list up to share ideas not bicker, oh that ll never work imagine how many times people said that to De vinci or EInstien or the wright brothers fact is none uses assult centurians but i making a list to make them work hopefuly if used right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371567.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
Give him a couple choice items, grab ML3. Get some decent rolls on your powers and you're looking at a 4 wound Heldrake that can ALSO smash you with AP2 in CC.

So, yeah... I mean everything is always a gamble, that Stormraven idea probably works wonders, but it could also get shot down. Vindicators are great for pieplate chuckin but then the dice gods can hate you.

The point of this sub forum is to debate your list so, points at least for defending your initial viewpoint, but minus them back for not being open to criticism.

edit: Honestly though why are you running Iron Hands tactics but not stocking up on more Omnissiah rolls? I'd build me a solid tank line, park the Techs back there and then like someone else said, drop pod rage later on to keep the heat off and place scoring units. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371581.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points Gw with some cool models]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371603.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points
And seriously assult centurions SUCK ASS they are weak and with 2 attacks are not suited to cc at all. Assult terminators would do the same job more effectively

And LR rush only works if the stuff inside can munch face I.e assult termies honour guard etc


I also wouldn't compare toy soldier board games to such massively inspirational artists and engineers ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371667.page GMT my new iron hands list 1500points OP has made clear his view point. Let's not beat him down. It clearly isn't going to change his mind.

To the OP, it's totally fine to want to play fluffy units in friendly games; but as a lesson to you, make sure you make that clear in your title so that people direct their criticism more effectively. Your list got torn apart because we assumed you wanted to have a chance in a competitive meta. If you're looking to have a laugh with some mates and try to make a suboptimal unit work, all power to you. Just be careful how you label your threads from now on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6371796.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6372821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6372821.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points tac squad should be beefier with a few more units and always run more than 1 vind if you run vins, they are a high threat target and will die early.

2 vindicators force a strategy change on your opponent and he will have to gun for them plus it gives you better odds of getting that STR 10 AP 2 off in a game.

Maybe run rhino screens? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6372826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6372826.page GMT Re:my new iron hands list 1500points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6372843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569801/6372843.page GMT