<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points
Daemons:
HQ
Fateweaver

1 x Tzeentch herald - Grimmoie

TROOPS
11 x pink horrors
14 x pink horrors


CSM Allies:
HQ
Be'lakor

TROOPS
10 x Cultists

1000 points

I decided to get 3 more horrors instead of an icon for the herald, as most of the time the unit will be running or going to ground in an attempt to keep the grimmoire safe.
Herald will probably roll on divination for prescience, although against hordes he may simply take the tzeentch primis power. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6374390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6374390.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6374569.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6374569.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points
The cultists would ideally hold the home objective if there is one, and stay out of harms way, going to ground in area terrain if they get in trouble.
The larger squad would press the middle as best it can, so as to be in range for the herald to use the grimmoire.
1 of the horror squads can deep strike if needs be.

I think this list would give most armies a run for their money, though hordes and msu may be a problem. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6374679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6374679.page GMT Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6375398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6375398.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points
Also a unit of 14 pink horrors is not so vulnerable if played correctly.

Remember if they go to ground in area terrain they are getting a 3+ save that can re roll 1's, and can still use the grimmoire. Be'lakor could use invisibility on them if neither he or fatey need it that turn. The herald and and fateweaver could also get skills to boost survivability if they get lucky.

Terrain is key, and if it is set up against you then certainly they will be easy to remove.

In all honesty though, the only alternative I can think of is using the herald on a disk, and using his 24' turbo boost to get behind cover after using the grimmoire. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6376516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6376516.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points Id recommend going khorne daemon prince with the axe of blind fury instead of belekor for your second daemon prince. Not only is the axe AP 2 and a daemon weapon, but str 9 on the charge. I know that you don't get all the cool psychic powers but at the 1000 point range you don't need the pysicic powers as much as you need killing potential and the khorne daemon prince can chew through anything. Not to mention, it decked out is only 265 compared to belakor at 350. Granted he isn't a pysker but he has a gak ton more attacks and more damage output. You could even go with mastery level 3 tzeench prince with black mace decked out (wings, power armor, mastery level 3, gift of mutation, black mace) for 350 and it is better than belakor in my opinion. I have been extremely underwhelmed by belekor's survivability, for his point cost.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377093.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points str 10 attacks by using smash if you need to.
Sure you get more melee attacks, but all this does is make it more likely that a unit will be wiped on the turn you charge, so you can be focused whilst you are on the ground in their next shooting phase. That is, if you even get to attack due to using a daemon weapon.

Be'lakor brings much more to the table, and that includes killing power. Puppet master, terrify, invisibility and hallucination can all be game changers. If you can't keep him alive, try using grimmoire or invis on him to get a 2+ save.

If I didn't use Be'lakor, then I wouldn't use CSM.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377300.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377675.page GMT Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points
Think Necrons:
Surfboard Lord, 3 annihilation barges, 2x5 Warriors in NightScythes.

That's going to put a lot of pain on your stuffs.

Edit: 90pts to spare, surfboard lord can get MSS, 2+, 3++, and have 15 pts leftover.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6377698.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points
 Big Blind Bill wrote:
It's true, the grimmoire is more vulnerable than I would like, but both fateweaver and be'lakor benefit greatly from it, so I feel it is almost essential.

Also a unit of 14 pink horrors is not so vulnerable if played correctly.

Remember if they go to ground in area terrain they are getting a 3+ save that can re roll 1's, and can still use the grimmoire. Be'lakor could use invisibility on them if neither he or fatey need it that turn. The herald and and fateweaver could also get skills to boost survivability if they get lucky.

Terrain is key, and if it is set up against you then certainly they will be easy to remove.

In all honesty though, the only alternative I can think of is using the herald on a disk, and using his 24' turbo boost to get behind cover after using the grimmoire.


While going to ground is all well and good, too many armies have access to cheap Ignores Cover weaponry. Eldar have Wave Serpents (of which there will be many), Marines have whirlwinds and TFCs, Tau have Markerlight support, CSM have heldrakes. This also limits the range your FMC have since they have to keep within 24" of Horrors that have now GtG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6378424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6378424.page GMT Re:Chaos Daemons + CSM - 1000 points
Guess I'd just go with a mono daemons list then, something like this should suffice:

Daemons:
HQ
Fateweaver

Slaanesh Daemon Prince, armour wings, and lash

TROOPS
10 x pink horrors
10 x pink horrors

HEAVY SUPPORT
Tzeentch Daemon Prince, armour, wings, grimmoire, ML1 (for some kind of witchfire power) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6379215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/569976/6379215.page GMT