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				<description><![CDATA[ I have recently started a small <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> force, and am having some trouble in deciding what to put in my list. I have two lists in mind, but I don't know which would be stronger, and what to do with the remaining points. <br /> <br /> Captain Sicarius	 185	<br /> <br /> Tigurius	 165<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	170	<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Grav. Gun	<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	170<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Grav. Gun	<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	185<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Plasma Gun	<br /> Plasma Pistol	<br /> <br /> Legion of the Damned	180<br /> Plasma Gun	<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Power Fist	<br /> <br /> Devastator Squad x5	150	<br /> 4x Lascannon	<br /> <br /> Devastator Squad x5	130<br /> 4x Missile Launcher	<br /> <br /> Aegis	 100<br /> Quad Gun	<br /> <br /> 1435<br /> <br /> The idea for this list is to hold back until the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(83);'>LOTD</span> arrive to tank any big threat. I plan on using Tigurius to buff his squad, and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(83);'>LOTD</span>. I tank to try to get the divination power that would allow me to re-reroll failed saves.<br /> <br /> I currently don't have any tanks, or everyone would have a rhino. <br /> <br /> My other list has a stronger hammer<br /> <br /> Merneus Calgar	 285<br /> Armor of Antilochus	<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	170	<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Grav. Gun	<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	170<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Grav. Gun	<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	185<br /> Plasma Cannon	<br /> Plasma Gun	<br /> Plasma Pistol	<br /> <br /> Terminator x5	 220<br /> Assault Cannon	<br /> <br /> Devastator Squad x5	150	<br /> 4x Lascannon	<br /> <br /> Devastator Squad x5	130<br /> 4x Missile Launcher	<br /> <br /> Aegis	 100<br /> Quad Gun	<br /> <br /> 1410<br /> <br /> Same basic idea but use the shooty terminators as a beefier stick. Also, with Calgar, I think he would benefit the most from more infantry than my opponent can shake his stick at. I could attach him to the terminators for a more of an assault focus, or keep him protected backfield with a devastator squad.<br /> <br /> Next purchase will be some tanks. Should I focus on Razorbacks (which can be taken as rhinos), <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span>, Predators, etc... Or should I find the points, and money to get a storm raven to put the terminators in? I am not the best list builder so any advice would be good. <br /> <br /> Thank you all for your time.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Drop pods over Rhinos, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:34:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I know you've probably already painted these guys but that first list screams imperial fists, just swap your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>hq</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:56:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jamo]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The second list does scream IF. I painted them in a chapter neutral grey and red scheme so far. If I switch Calgar for Lysander, It would still be pretty strong. But I would like to keep with UM for the time being.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:01:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ groggeron]]></author>
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				<title>1500 Ultramarines- What to do, what to do.... (casual)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7aecae692883cfc2c870f02d67dc9e34.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/570135/6377207.page"><b>smithy12262 wrote:</b></a><br/>Drop pods over Rhinos, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Generally yes .. but not with Plasma squads ..<br /> <br /> Honestly, I think the best thing to do with either of these lists is to add Rhinos.  I know you don't have them, but if you get some that's your best investment.  Footslogging marines are dead marines.<br /> <br /> I'd also choose the first list over the 2nd.  I love Calgar, but terminators are kind of meh <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:43:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rorschach9]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The tactical squads are a bit of a mess. You're also too top heavy and too tactical heavy.<br /> <br /> I would start with the first list and dump Sicarius he's pretty poor. Personally I'd also drop a tactical squad but you clearly seem to like them.<br /> <br /> Tactical squads on foot should always take plasma over grav unless you're static and you know you're enemies going to come at you. They should have a matched combi-weapon too plasma pistols are not worth it on tactical marines. Grav is for 1 shot weapons (like combis) or relentless units (bikes, centurions, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(83);'>LotD</span>).<br /> <br /> The Legion Squad is not a tanking unit with only 5 wounds and only a 3+ save. They are a hammer with ignores cover. Plasma Cannon and Plasmagun is perfect add in a combi grav for more AP2 goodness.<br /> <br /> Making those changes nets you 185 points. You can get a decent amount of Fire power for that. A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> is always worth it. You could add a 4th tactical squad. Get all the Rhinos or some Razorbacks.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:21:50]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like the idea of taking Sicarius out. But right now I am using him as a point sink. If I take him and a tax squad out, that would net me a bonus 370. This will be where I trim the fat once I am able to buy some more stuff. A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> is definitely a great idea that I overlooked. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <br /> Ok. I have made some changes to my list. Main changes were that I took out Sicarius, and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad. I up in tanks, a bike squad, and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span>. I still have 90 points to spare.<br /> <br /> My options now are: 1) to remove the Flakk from my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> and get a Storm Talon, 2) upgrade the squads that I do have. Vet. Sargents, and whatnot, 3) Get a nother librarian<br /> <br /> 1410<br /> Tigurius			<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	<br /> Plasma Cannon		<br /> Plasma Gun		<br /> Rhino			<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad x10	<br /> Plasma Cannon		<br /> Plasma Gun		<br /> Rhino			<br /> <br /> Legion of the Damned	<br /> Plasma Gun		<br /> Plasma Cannon		<br /> Power Fist		<br /> <br /> Bike Squad x5		<br /> 2x Grav. Gun		<br /> <br /> Devastator Squad x5		<br /> 4x Lascannon		<br /> <br /> <br /> Devastator Squad x5		<br /> 4x Missile Launcher	<br /> + Flakk			<br /> <br /> Thunderfire Cannon	<br /> <br /> Aegis with Quad Gun		<br /> <br /> Thanks<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> <br /> ]]></description>
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