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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, it is about to happen.  But thankfully, we know what will happen since North Carolina did it earlier this year.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-17/north-carolina-shows-how-to-crush-the-unemployed.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-17/north-carolina-shows-how-to-crush-the-unemployed.html</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> The U.S. is about to cut the maximum duration of public support for the unemployed. The federal extension of unemployment insurance expires on Jan. 1. To see the consequences, look at North Carolina.<br /> <br /> I’ve been watching the state since July, when it cut the maximum length of benefit from 99 weeks to just 19, and reduced the weekly check from $535 to $350.<br /> <br /> Across the country, the unemployed will lose from 14 to 47 weeks of insurance when the extension ends. Five other states will join North Carolina in providing fewer than 26 weeks of payments -- the standard in the U.S until this year. What’s happened in North Carolina since July is an indication of what will happen nationwide. The picture is troubling.<br /> <br /> As intended, presumably, the number of North Carolinians receiving unemployment benefits has collapsed. It’s down by 45,000, or 40 percent, since last year. Expiring benefits aren’t the only reason for this. Far fewer are filing a claim in the first place. Initial claims are running at about half last year's rate. Unemployment insurance is a thinner safety net than it has been in decades.<br /> <br /> In addition, North Carolina’s labor force began to shrink. The state is experiencing the largest labor-force contraction it's ever seen -- 77,000 fewer people were working or searching for work this October than a year ago. This should, but won’t, settle a partisan debate. Cutting unemployment insurance apparently hasn’t encouraged the unemployed to look harder for work: It has caused them to drop out of the labor force altogether.<br /> <br /> To get unemployment insurance, you have to actively search for work and prove that you're doing so. The drop in the labor force suggests that this incentive was effective. Without it, more people just give up.<br /> <br /> Meanwhile, the burden of easing the financial distress caused by unemployment has shifted from public programs to private charities. According to Alan Briggs, executive director of the North Carolina Association of Food Banks, they're struggling to cope.<br /> <br /> "The local pantries are saying, 'Give us more, give us more, give us more,'" Briggs said. "All that the county social workers can do now is give those in need the phone number for the local food bank." As he told a local news station, his food banks had been "asked to be the safety net of the safety net."<br /> <br /> Ron Pringle, a food-bank director who oversees seven counties and 230 organizations in the state’s southeast, says they’ve seen on average a 17 percent increase in need since last year. "We’re seeing requests for food from our agencies well outside of our planned growth," Pringle said. "Some of our member agencies have been able to meet that need, but many have not."<br /> <br /> "They’ve had to expand pantry hours, add additional days to the schedule, and take on new volunteers because they’re unable to meet the greater need," he said. "These decisions have created a whole new community of folks we're going to have to serve."<br /> <br /> Some 1.3 million Americans will lose unemployment benefits immediately in 2014, according to a report from National Employment Law Project. An additional 850,000 will lose them by the end of March. North Carolina just ran this policy experiment. Does Washington like what it sees?<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Here is more from the National Review.... of all places....<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/366681/north-carolinas-unemployment-insurance-experiment-reihan-salam#!" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/366681/north-carolinas-unemployment-insurance-experiment-reihan-salam#!</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> One of the reasons I agree with Michael R. Strain’s argument that unemployment benefits should be extended (and reformed) is that, as Evan Soltas reports, the results of the expiration of unemployment benefits in North Carolina have been discouraging. In July, North Carolina cut the maximum length of UI benefits from 99 weeks, or almost two years, to 19 weeks, and the number of people receiving unemployment benefits has (as you’d expect) decreased sharply:<br /> <br /> As intended, presumably, the number of North Carolinians receiving unemployment benefits has collapsed. It’s down by 45,000, or 40 percent, since last year. Expiring benefits aren’t the only reason for this. Far fewer are filing a claim in the first place. Initial claims are running at about half last year’s rate. Unemployment insurance is a thinner safety net than it has been in decades.<br /> <br /> In addition, North Carolina’s labor force began to shrink. The state is experiencing the largest labor-force contraction it’s ever seen — 77,000 fewer people were working or searching for work this October than a year ago. This should, but won’t, settle a partisan debate. Cutting unemployment insurance apparently hasn’t encouraged the unemployed to look harder for work: It has caused them to drop out of the labor force altogether.<br /> <br /> To get unemployment insurance, you have to actively search for work and prove that you’re doing so. The drop in the labor force suggests that this incentive was effective. Without it, more people just give up.<br /> <br /> Soltas then goes on observe that civil society groups, like food pantries, have been picking up the slack, and he finds the outcome of this policy experiment discouraging. One could argue that we haven’t allowed this policy experiment to go on long enough, i.e., that we should wait and see if civil society in North Carolina eventually adapts to the labor-force contraction that has followed the expiration of UI benefits — perhaps social entrepreneurs will find ways to retrain workers and reintegrate them into the formal labor market. This would be a good cause for North Carolinians, and in particular conservative North Carolinians, to take up. But it is easy to see why Soltas is reluctant to place this bet.<br /> <br /> P.S. Scott Lincicome draws on recent unemployment data from North Carolina to suggest that the expiration of unemployment benefits might have had positive consequences. I recommend reading his piece, which critiques Soltas’s argument, and my willingness to accept it at face value. In my defense, I actually don’t think of myself as an enthusiast for extending UI benefits. Rather, I think of myself as someone who has found Michael R. Strain’s arguments convincing, hence the first sentence of my post. And I think that an extension might be an acceptable political price to pay for reform of UI benefits. But Lincicome’s piece is worth reading regardless.<br /> <br /> I should also note that Evan Soltas and I made an error, which was caught by Mitchell Hirsch of the (left-of-center) National Employment Law Project brought to my attention. The maximum length of UI benefits was not 99 weeks when North Carolina ended federal Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC) benefits on July 1st. Rather, EUC benefits lasted for 47 weeks, which, when combined with state benefits, made for a maximum duration of 73 weeks, as the extra 20 weeks of federal Extended Benefits (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(569);'>EB</span>) had expired in June of 2012. In light of Lincicome’s broader point that Soltas and I might be subject to confirmation bias, it occurs to me that in his detailed critique of my (frankly rather cursory post), he didn’t mention that Soltas and I overstated, by a significant margin, the generosity of unemployment benefits. So I’m grateful to Mitchell Hirsch for the assist.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So, I'm glad these heinous benefits for louses and slackers is ending! <br /> <br /> However, not so fast evil liberals!  <br /> <br /> Here is a counter argument...<br /> <br /> <a href="http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/19/north-carolina-teaches-us-unemployment-benefits-confirmation-bias/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/19/north-carolina-teaches-us-unemployment-benefits-confirmation-bias/</a><br /> <br /> Sorry, it is too long to quote.  Here is the key.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><br /> Beyond the data, even Soltas’ own anecdotal evidence (assuming you can get past the headline and, you know, actually read the article he linked) undermines his steadfast conclusions.  First, like the decline in labor force participation, private food charities like the Interfaith Food Shuttle first saw a spike in demand before the unemployment benefit cuts took place in July.  Second, the article shows that several factors – including cuts to and problems with state and federal food stamp programs – are blamed for the observed run on NC food banks, not just cuts to jobless benefits.  If you don’t believe me, read the article for yourself.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Take that! ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The labor force participation rate has been going down for a while, nation wide.   Is the NC shrinkage really caused by the loss of UI payments or just their portion of the national trend?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <img src="http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2003_2013_all_period_M11_data.gif" border="0" /><br /> <br /> <a href="http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://data.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(327);'>bls</span>.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000</a>  (Image does not show well, it came from this link)<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/08/the-u-s-labor-force-is-still-shrinking-rapidly-heres-why/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/08/the-u-s-labor-force-is-still-shrinking-rapidly-heres-why/</a>]]></description>
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