Hallakhan wrote:
I'm terrible when it comes to actually remembering to use orders we'll often get to the end of a turn and I'll go 'Oh no I haven't used any orders' and then get shot up by the long range Tau stuff. My friend with Tau usually sits all the markerlight units in good cover right at the back of the map where I struggle to hit them with artillery fire.
When I do use orders though I usually use either bring it down with bastonne (forgot him in the list, apologies) or run, run, run to get my troops a little further forward.

 Hallakhan wrote:
Scaring the Riptide away will certainly be a much easier way to get rid of him. Am I correct in thinking that i can deepstrike the valkyrie on top of the pathinders and then send the vets with flamers down to get them?

Edit: I wasn't aware vets could take power weapons? I thought it was just the sargeant that could do that, bastonne didn't do so well last game so I'll drop him next time and make sure I use the rest of the orders.

 Hallakhan wrote:
You can fire under the min range with a Basilisk but it has to be indirect fire, so not worth it within 12" of the basilisk itself incase you scatter on your own tank.

The tarpitting sounds like the best way of dealing with the riptide but i do like the sound of psykers as well. I'll probably scrap the snipers for the mean time and get some more squads with vet sergants.

 Hallakhan wrote:
I'll get a big blob built up and add some space wolves, I already have the space wolf codex, just need to get some models, any recommendations on how to use cannis wolfborn?

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Hallakhan wrote:
You can fire under the min range with a Basilisk but it has to be indirect fire, so not worth it within 12" of the basilisk itself incase you scatter on your own tank.

The tarpitting sounds like the best way of dealing with the riptide but i do like the sound of psykers as well. I'll probably scrap the snipers for the mean time and get some more squads with vet sergants.

Guard Psykers suck, to be perfectly honest.. You're better off taking allied Space Wolves, take a squad of Grey Hunters and a couple of Rune Priests, if you really want Psykers that badly, plus Grey Hunters are really nice. Another nice combo for Guard blobs is to take.. Forgotten his name, Dark Angels Chapter Master, because he gives a 5+ invluln to any units within 12", so you have a massive Blob of 50 guys with 5+ invulns, flamers and power axes ;D

 Arbiter wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Hallakhan wrote:
You can fire under the min range with a Basilisk but it has to be indirect fire, so not worth it within 12" of the basilisk itself incase you scatter on your own tank.

The tarpitting sounds like the best way of dealing with the riptide but i do like the sound of psykers as well. I'll probably scrap the snipers for the mean time and get some more squads with vet sergants.

Guard Psykers suck, to be perfectly honest.. You're better off taking allied Space Wolves, take a squad of Grey Hunters and a couple of Rune Priests, if you really want Psykers that badly, plus Grey Hunters are really nice. Another nice combo for Guard blobs is to take.. Forgotten his name, Dark Angels Chapter Master, because he gives a 5+ invluln to any units within 12", so you have a massive Blob of 50 guys with 5+ invulns, flamers and power axes ;D

Please promise me that you will stop talking like an idiot about battle psykers.

Battle psyker squads are probably the most over costed unit in the IG codex, for 110pts or 165pts if you take them in a chimera (always take them in a chimera)
they will let you chase riptides, non-fearless deathstars off the board just by doing 25% damage to the unit, and they will help you in combat as well.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Hallakhan wrote:
You can fire under the min range with a Basilisk but it has to be indirect fire, so not worth it within 12" of the basilisk itself incase you scatter on your own tank.

The tarpitting sounds like the best way of dealing with the riptide but i do like the sound of psykers as well. I'll probably scrap the snipers for the mean time and get some more squads with vet sergants.

Guard Psykers suck, to be perfectly honest.. You're better off taking allied Space Wolves, take a squad of Grey Hunters and a couple of Rune Priests, if you really want Psykers that badly, plus Grey Hunters are really nice. Another nice combo for Guard blobs is to take.. Forgotten his name, Dark Angels Chapter Master, because he gives a 5+ invluln to any units within 12", so you have a massive Blob of 50 guys with 5+ invulns, flamers and power axes ;D

Please promise me that you will stop talking like an idiot about battle psykers.

Battle psyker squads are probably the most over costed unit in the IG codex, for 110pts or 165pts if you take them in a chimera (always take them in a chimera)
they will let you chase riptides, non-fearless deathstars off the board just by doing 25% damage to the unit, and they will help you in combat as well.

'most over powered unit'
Vendettas
Hellhounds
Blobs with Power Axes
Exterminators with Heavy Bolters
Vanquishers with Pask
Yeah.. No
And they only get 1 psychic power?

 Hallakhan wrote:
I've looked up a few psyker rules and read up on the primaris psyker, I like the look of the nightshroud ability but how often can i use it?

The other question I had was about the shotguns, will they be upgraded to be the same as the SM scout shotguns in the 6th edition codex? I'm trying to decide whether they're worth keeping or not. I do like having 2 shots with them but at the same strength and AP as a standard lasgun they don't make a vast amount of difference.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Hallakhan wrote:
You can fire under the min range with a Basilisk but it has to be indirect fire, so not worth it within 12" of the basilisk itself incase you scatter on your own tank.

The tarpitting sounds like the best way of dealing with the riptide but i do like the sound of psykers as well. I'll probably scrap the snipers for the mean time and get some more squads with vet sergants.

Guard Psykers suck, to be perfectly honest.. You're better off taking allied Space Wolves, take a squad of Grey Hunters and a couple of Rune Priests, if you really want Psykers that badly, plus Grey Hunters are really nice. Another nice combo for Guard blobs is to take.. Forgotten his name, Dark Angels Chapter Master, because he gives a 5+ invluln to any units within 12", so you have a massive Blob of 50 guys with 5+ invulns, flamers and power axes ;D

Please promise me that you will stop talking like an idiot about battle psykers.

Battle psyker squads are probably the most over costed unit in the IG codex, for 110pts or 165pts if you take them in a chimera (always take them in a chimera)
they will let you chase riptides, non-fearless deathstars off the board just by doing 25% damage to the unit, and they will help you in combat as well.

'most over powered unit'
Vendettas
Hellhounds
Blobs with Power Axes
Exterminators with Heavy Bolters
Vanquishers with Pask
Yeah.. No
And they only get 1 psychic power?

 Chaos Rising wrote:
Meltatroopers lr melta xtormtroopers as you may know them. Airborne assault them or load them into a flyer.

 Hallakhan wrote:
You can fire under the min range with a Basilisk but it has to be indirect fire, so not worth it within 12" of the basilisk itself incase you scatter on your own tank.

Sajue wrote:
All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

Sajue wrote:
All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

Philhoggart wrote:

Sajue wrote:
All your examples there with stornies and hellhounds have been "if you sink 360+points into it then it'll work!" Which is a bit moot point. If I put down 8 LR in a 1500 point game it'd be hard to deal with but I wouldn't win any of the time.

Exterminator is trash. 9 heavy bolter shots and twin linked double autocannon will kill on average 6 orks a turn. That's not very impressive for a 150+ point tank.

Paskquisher is similarly terrible. You end up paying in excess of 200 points for it with a lascannon that's about the same as a vendetta with melta vets and guess which one can still do something useful once the tanks are all dead? It's not pask.

And sure you can take another pskyer, although a librarian is in fact more points, is only 1 model so you can't abuse cover with him. but none of them have weaken resolve which is hands down the best psychic power in the game right now for guard especially if you play an artillery heavy list. And yes they do get both of their psychic powers.

And you say they're low LD, but they're leadership 9 which is about as good as you'll need it.

In this case my lists should never work , i usually take pask punisher and an executioner ,