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It's the Blood Ravens omni-bus that was written for the Dawn of War series. I played the games and really liked the Blood Ravens, even having started an argument on here about their origins because it being hinted in this very omni-bus but I can't finish it. I know all this is fiction and the writer and even us as players can make things up about our own chapters and the like but I always feel in the confines of established canon (Like using Chapter Approved for your own chapter) and Goto's blatant disregard for established canon is just annoying to say the least. His portrayal of the Alpha Legion and the Eldar is just dumb, that is all I can say about that and it makes me more aggravated that he is the one who established the canon for the Blood Ravens that I am extremely dissappointed that this is my favorite chapter because of Goto. It makes me want to just stick to the Inquisition, GK and Eldar.

This ever happen to anyone else? Excited to get some backround on one of their favorite aspects put into print only to have the author completely disregard information and sour your taste for it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6426805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6426805.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? He writes horrible books and this pleases him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6426991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6426991.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427055.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
Go read eisenhorn omnibus ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427065.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://1d4chan.org/wiki/C._S._Goto
nuff said]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427071.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427198.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? BL book so much that I've stopped reading it, but I didn't like how Sandy Mitchell wrote the Sisters in the second Cain omnibus. They were, IMO, generally incompetent and at times very out of character. Though I still enjoyed omnibus book overall, that one aspect aside.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
the fact that basically every plot in the book is the same

Ha, yeah, the Cain books do enjoy recycling. There's quite a few recurring phrases too. Though I don't find it too irriating. It's kinda endearing, in a way.

Though I do wish that Cain would fight a new enemy, a lot of the books have him fighting 'Nids, Chaos or Orks. 'Nids the most, I think. Dark Eldar would be an interesting change of pace, and he's even referenced being tortured by them before.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427230.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427251.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? BL book I've given up on, the only book I've ever given up on in fact, was Storm Warriors. Couldn't really say why I just didn't get into it and it became a chore to read. I should probably give it another go I suppose, it's been that many years I can't even remember what it was about!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427444.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 BlaxicanX wrote:
I gave up on the second Cain omnibus. Cain's gary-stu characterization and the fact that basically every plot in the book is the same finally got to me.


the Cain Books are at least forgiveable in that they're the man's memior's.
Thus mistakes at the least are forgiveable in a "it's a man's memories, he's prone to mistakes" heck there's been times the writer has PURPOSFULLY had Cain make a mistake and then corrected it in the footnotes.
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 Envihon wrote:
Alright, it finally happened. I do not have the will to finish this book even though it is on my favorite Space Marine Chapter and that is because of C.S. Goto.

It's the Blood Ravens omni-bus that was written for the Dawn of War series. I played the games and really liked the Blood Ravens, even having started an argument on here about their origins because it being hinted in this very omni-bus but I can't finish it. I know all this is fiction and the writer and even us as players can make things up about our own chapters and the like but I always feel in the confines of established canon (Like using Chapter Approved for your own chapter) and Goto's blatant disregard for established canon is just annoying to say the least. His portrayal of the Alpha Legion and the Eldar is just dumb, that is all I can say about that and it makes me more aggravated that he is the one who established the canon for the Blood Ravens that I am extremely dissappointed that this is my favorite chapter because of Goto. It makes me want to just stick to the Inquisition, GK and Eldar.

This ever happen to anyone else? Excited to get some backround on one of their favorite aspects put into print only to have the author completely disregard information and sour your taste for it?


Dude, it's C.S. Goto. He's a terrible writer and the DOW books serve little more purpose than being toilet paper. Buy the Space Marine short story collection, everything in it is good, and even has some good stories on the CSM's, especially the Black Legion.

But really man, it's Goto, what did you expect? Flawless writing? He's a horrible writer. I've heard that his Eldar books even border on what is pretty much torture rape in it/torture. He seems to vehemently hate eldar.

What I more hate about the BL is their BS 'marketing' tactics of printing a small amount of the omnibuses to jack up the price. So now I can't even buy a direct copy of the Iron Warriors omnibus unless I want to drop a hundred dollars for a book slightly over twenty bucks. The Black Library needs to have their marketing team fired and replaced.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427594.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427601.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Archive

This guys is why the Black Library is a stupid publisher that I absolutely hate for their marketing practices. Books published in 2008 should not be out of print.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6427605.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
I don't understand why they would list any book as out of print... And not just black library but any publisher...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428593.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428601.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
It was so fething boring, couldn't even finish First and Only. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428613.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
Redseer wrote:
I can't stand his interpretation of Eldar, trudged my way through that omnibus once, even read some of his eldar books. Massive mistakes. I wouldn't recommend anything with his name on it.


What does he mess up with the Eldar?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6428717.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Wyzilla wrote:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Archive

This guys is why the Black Library is a stupid publisher that I absolutely hate for their marketing practices. Books published in 2008 should not be out of print.


Lol, there is a book published in 2011 on that page, and it is out of print.

Loooooool.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:
Gaunt's Ghosts, the first omnibus.

It was so fething boring, couldn't even finish First and Only.


I sorta agree. I read up to some kind of siege, but then I just could not go on.

The whole killing-chaos-dreadnought-with-a-few-alien-cactuses also needs a lot of disbelief-suspension.

Even for 40K, which says a lot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429167.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech (?)


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Also I couldn't finish Battle for the abyss. Sweet Emprah who approved that book?!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429244.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
Something about Dan Abnett's Horus Rising really put me off. He places some ideas down on the table that don't belong in the genre for no other reason than what seems like bashing by proxy.

Now, I know Dan Abnett's meant to be one of the better writers. This doesn't bode well for the rest of the series if I don't like his books.

I've heard good things about Demsky-bowden though, so I've been looking into his fiction, too. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429336.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? HH story one iota.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429354.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429454.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Scipio Africanus wrote:
I've never finished a Black Library Book.

Something about Dan Abnett's Horus Rising really put me off. He places some ideas down on the table that don't belong in the genre for no other reason than what seems like bashing by proxy.

Now, I know Dan Abnett's meant to be one of the better writers. This doesn't bode well for the rest of the series if I don't like his books.

I've heard good things about Demsky-bowden though, so I've been looking into his fiction, too.


Dembski-Bowden, if not for the fact that he writes genre fiction, would be one of the best authors on the planet. Seriously amazing work. Can't recommend it enough.

On the original topic: good lord, yes. The Soul Drinkers omnibus was one of the most miserable pieces of filth I've ever had the misfortune to open. The characters are awful, the plots are stilted, the whole cast suffers from special snowflake syndrome, (which, since it's contextual, is pretty freaking' ridiculous in Warhammer 40k!) and the editing is so atrocious as to be baffling. I've seen community college essays with fewer typos. Horrible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6429478.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech (?)


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Also I couldn't finish Battle for the abyss. Sweet Emprah who approved that book?!

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Thank god for orkmoticons.
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I also gave up halfway through Path of the Renegade.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430022.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
Spoiler:
In fact, it was three pages before that section ends with the ritualistic suicide of the panicking cultists.


I think I finished the book in a coupla days after that XD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430103.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
As for Gaunt's Ghosts, I read one of the later ones and enjoyed it but never the first two. As far as Abnett goes, absolutely adore Eisenhorn and Ravenor's omnibuses and I did enjoy Horus Rising.

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 the shrouded lord wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech (?)


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Also I couldn't finish Battle for the abyss. Sweet Emprah who approved that book?!

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Thank god for orkmoticons.

And last but not least... Slaanesh worshipping Eldar. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430821.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 the shrouded lord wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech (?)


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Also I couldn't finish Battle for the abyss. Sweet Emprah who approved that book?!

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Thank god for orkmoticons.

And last but not least... Slaanesh worshipping Eldar.

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Edited - Watch your language and your content. MT11]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6430984.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Shas'o_Longshot wrote:
I almost gave up on Gaunt's Ghosts when I was younger. Got right up to the point in the second book when they're infiltrating the base.

Spoiler:
In fact, it was three pages before that section ends with the ritualistic suicide of the panicking cultists.


I think I finished the book in a coupla days after that XD


Someone actually used the spoiler drop down for an actual spoiler! I applaud you sir!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431234.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? 40k yourself out a bit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431286.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Jimsolo wrote:

Dembski-Bowden, if not for the fact that he writes genre fiction, would be one of the best authors on the planet. Seriously amazing work. Can't recommend it enough.


Really?

Some of his work is really good, but some of it is seriously flawed and awkward, like Betrayer, or The Emperor's Gift. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431755.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Void__Dragon wrote:
 Jimsolo wrote:

Dembski-Bowden, if not for the fact that he writes genre fiction, would be one of the best authors on the planet. Seriously amazing work. Can't recommend it enough.


Really?

Some of his work is really good, but some of it is seriously flawed and awkward, like Betrayer, or The Emperor's Gift.


Yes, really. Can't comment on Betrayer, unfortunately (it's on my bookshelf right now, but I haven't started it) but The Emperor's Gift was damn amazing. I can definitely see how you could dislike the protagonist or some of the supporting characters, but it's a solid (tragic) story that not only fleshed out a well-known event in the 40k lore that the author hadn't been the creator of, but didn't have to retcon every thing or fabricate some ludicrous hidden agenda in order to create a story. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431782.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)


He also has Eldar grav-tanks getting destroyed by stone-age humans who ambush the Eldar grav-tank and shove rocks into its engine ports.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6431908.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
Sothalor wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)


He also has Eldar grav-tanks getting destroyed by stone-age humans who ambush the Eldar grav-tank and shove rocks into its engine ports.

I missed that one. Do Eldar tanks even have engine ports yet alone ones that explode when obstructed?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6433051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6433051.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech


WHAT!!!?!??!?????????!!!!!!!!!@@@@!!!


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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 the shrouded lord wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech (?)


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Also I couldn't finish Battle for the abyss. Sweet Emprah who approved that book?!

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Thank god for orkmoticons.

And last but not least... Slaanesh worshipping Eldar.




That's like writing a WWII novel and forgetting which side Germany was on,


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Sothalor wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)


He also has Eldar grav-tanks getting destroyed by stone-age humans who ambush the Eldar grav-tank and shove rocks into its engine ports.


Why is this person allowed near a keyboard??????????]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6434332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6434332.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Jimsolo wrote:


Yes, really. Can't comment on Betrayer, unfortunately (it's on my bookshelf right now, but I haven't started it) but The Emperor's Gift was damn amazing. I can definitely see how you could dislike the protagonist or some of the supporting characters, but it's a solid (tragic) story that not only fleshed out a well-known event in the 40k lore that the author hadn't been the creator of, but didn't have to retcon every thing or fabricate some ludicrous hidden agenda in order to create a story.


I liked Hyperion a lot actually. I fething hated Annika Jarlsdottyr, and her existence is a large part of what I dislike about the book, because there was so much potential with this character, and I had such high expectations when I first began reading, only for her to turn out to be a stupid, irrational, hypocritical, treacherous, and entirely un-badass (I bring this up because she is apparently supposed to be a badass but we never see it) character. Oh, who's fething a former Chaos cultist. I can't forget that, lol.

That said, the first two thirds or so of the book were very enjoyable. It was just the final third, where the Grey Knights were shoe-horned into a conflict they originally took little to no part in, and the book devolved into a Space Wolf wankfest that served only to make the Inquisition and the Grey Knights look like crap. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6434387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6434387.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6435457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6435457.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 the shrouded lord wrote:
What does goto do to ravens?


He is basically the first one who took the Blood Ravens from the video game Dawn of War and added them into the Black Library by writing the novelization of the Dawn of War games. What everyone else has been saying about the Eldar, he did to the Ravens and even the Alpha Legion although, most of his atrocities are directed towards the Eldar by far. Luckily, as others have pointed out, Relic, the makers of both Dawn of War and Dawn of War 2, largely ignored what he had written and kept to the canon keeping pretty accurately to the Warhammer 40k universe.




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 Void__Dragon wrote:
 Jimsolo wrote:


Yes, really. Can't comment on Betrayer, unfortunately (it's on my bookshelf right now, but I haven't started it) but The Emperor's Gift was damn amazing. I can definitely see how you could dislike the protagonist or some of the supporting characters, but it's a solid (tragic) story that not only fleshed out a well-known event in the 40k lore that the author hadn't been the creator of, but didn't have to retcon every thing or fabricate some ludicrous hidden agenda in order to create a story.


I liked Hyperion a lot actually. I fething hated Annika Jarlsdottyr, and her existence is a large part of what I dislike about the book, because there was so much potential with this character, and I had such high expectations when I first began reading, only for her to turn out to be a stupid, irrational, hypocritical, treacherous, and entirely un-badass (I bring this up because she is apparently supposed to be a badass but we never see it) character. Oh, who's fething a former Chaos cultist. I can't forget that, lol.

That said, the first two thirds or so of the book were very enjoyable. It was just the final third, where the Grey Knights were shoe-horned into a conflict they originally took little to no part in, and the book devolved into a Space Wolf wankfest that served only to make the Inquisition and the Grey Knights look like crap.


What I love about Hyperion the most is who he was before he was a GK and his connection to another series which is why people need to read the Ravenor omni-bus then read The Emperor's Gift. The fact that Dembski-Bowden did that is awesome to say the least. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6437543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6437543.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6438559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6438559.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 farmersboy wrote:
The Shira Calpurnia omnibus...that was such hard work...


And yet you got through it. I couldn't get through the first story. I just found that one so boring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6438603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6438603.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Envihon wrote:

What I love about Hyperion the most is who he was before he was a GK and his connection to another series which is why people need to read the Ravenor omni-bus then read The Emperor's Gift. The fact that Dembski-Bowden did that is awesome to say the least.


Why?

He could have been literally any other male character from literally any other story and it wouldn't have mattered or changed The Emperor's Gift in the slightest. It's just some mild fanservice that doesn't really contribute a lot to the story itself. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6438609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6438609.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Void__Dragon wrote:
 Envihon wrote:

What I love about Hyperion the most is who he was before he was a GK and his connection to another series which is why people need to read the Ravenor omni-bus then read The Emperor's Gift. The fact that Dembski-Bowden did that is awesome to say the least.


Why?

He could have been literally any other male character from literally any other story and it wouldn't have mattered or changed The Emperor's Gift in the slightest. It's just some mild fanservice that doesn't really contribute a lot to the story itself.


It shows a connected universe, like other Marvel characters showing up in each others movies before and after the Avengers. Yeah, it doesn't impact the story too much but just the fact that it is there drives home that all these things are taking place in the same universe. We are told this but it doesn't seem to happen that often in 40k novels so when it does, it makes me happy. I had the same reaction when Bjorn shows up in Prospero Burns. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6439118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6439118.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Envihon wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
 Envihon wrote:

What I love about Hyperion the most is who he was before he was a GK and his connection to another series which is why people need to read the Ravenor omni-bus then read The Emperor's Gift. The fact that Dembski-Bowden did that is awesome to say the least.


Why?

He could have been literally any other male character from literally any other story and it wouldn't have mattered or changed The Emperor's Gift in the slightest. It's just some mild fanservice that doesn't really contribute a lot to the story itself.


It shows a connected universe, like other Marvel characters showing up in each others movies before and after the Avengers. Yeah, it doesn't impact the story too much but just the fact that it is there drives home that all these things are taking place in the same universe. We are told this but it doesn't seem to happen that often in 40k novels so when it does, it makes me happy. I had the same reaction when Bjorn shows up in Prospero Burns.


agreed that mild fanservice is great and sucking people in sometimes. so long as it's not over done (to a degree of feeling every problem is solved by a super friends club) it can lead to a feel of a itnerconnected universe]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6439923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6439923.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? DW novels were written by CS Goto. Never liked his writing style. I prefer Graham McNeill cos I'm an Ultramarine fan. But then again I prefer Dan Abnett's Know no fear to Nick Kyme.

Dembski Bowden rocks with his Night Lords trilogy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6441424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6441424.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
The warhammer books mostly deliver on expanding fiction. They are not great works of fiction, nor should they be. They are very well suited for the genre they belong in, but not all of the books are good. They are so cheap though that if you do not like it, just put it down. Just because you spent money in a bad thing does not mean you need to spend time on it as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6441706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6441706.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
knas ser wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 the shrouded lord wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
knas ser wrote:
I've never read anything by him. At the risk of torturing you further, what is so dumb about how he writes the Eldar? (They're my favourite faction)

Here's a taste: Eldar keep their old armor as mementos and steal imperium weapons and tanks because they are more effective than Eldar tech (?)


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Also I couldn't finish Battle for the abyss. Sweet Emprah who approved that book?!

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Thank god for orkmoticons.

And last but not least... Slaanesh worshipping Eldar.




That's like writing a WWII novel and forgetting which side Germany was on,

Nah, that could still be excused as writing from a German perspective.
It is more like writing a WWII novel in which Winston Churchill is the Führer and fights against Roosevelt, the leader of the Soviet Union and Emperor Hitler of Japan while US president Joseph Stalin invades New Zealand.
In the meanwhile, the Swiss, led by Hirohito, prepare to conquer the world with their huge army of KV-1 heavy tanks.

That would be a proper WWII novel written by C.S. Goto ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443401.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Iron_Captain wrote:
knas ser wrote:




That's like writing a WWII novel and forgetting which side Germany was on,

Nah, that could still be excused as writing from a German perspective.
It is more like writing a WWII novel in which Winston Churchill is the Führer and fights against Roosevelt, the leader of the Soviet Union and Emperor Hitler of Japan while the US president Joseph Stalin invades New Zealand.
In the meanwhile, the Swiss, led by Hirohito, prepare to conquer the world with their huge army of KV-1 heavy tanks.

That would be a proper WWII novel written by C.S. Goto

More C.S. Goto goodiness has been unearthed!
-Prolonged unnecessary torture scenes.
-Characters are incredibly inconsistent.
-I know he ruined Eldrad somehow...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443406.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
-I know he ruined Eldrad somehow...


what are you talking about man!? that song and dance number with Eldrad and the Emperor was friken Genius.... "It's not easy being E" it was great!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443434.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
BrianDavion wrote:

-I know he ruined Eldrad somehow...


what are you talking about man!? that song and dance number with Eldrad and the Emperor was friken Genius.... "It's not easy being E" it was great!

Also I know he took a shot at the Mantis Warriors. Anyone know how that ended up?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6443444.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

-I know he ruined Eldrad somehow...


what are you talking about man!? that song and dance number with Eldrad and the Emperor was friken Genius.... "It's not easy being E" it was great!

Also I know he took a shot at the Mantis Warriors. Anyone know how that ended up?


How everything Goto touches ends up, badly. I know some of the people at my store hate him for screwing with the Mantis Warriors. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452375.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Envihon wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

-I know he ruined Eldrad somehow...


what are you talking about man!? that song and dance number with Eldrad and the Emperor was friken Genius.... "It's not easy being E" it was great!

Also I know he took a shot at the Mantis Warriors. Anyone know how that ended up?


How everything Goto touches ends up, badly. I know some of the people at my store hate him for screwing with the Mantis Warriors.

I know he wrote the book but I can't find anything about it. Perhaps it must stay buried.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452627.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

-I know he ruined Eldrad somehow...


what are you talking about man!? that song and dance number with Eldrad and the Emperor was friken Genius.... "It's not easy being E" it was great!

Also I know he took a shot at the Mantis Warriors. Anyone know how that ended up?


How everything Goto touches ends up, badly. I know some of the people at my store hate him for screwing with the Mantis Warriors.

I know he wrote the book but I can't find anything about it. Perhaps it must stay buried.


Be careful. I asked what he messed up about the Eldar and deeply regretted having my curiosity answered. Be warned by my own misfortune, Bronzefists. Do you really want to know?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452776.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
knas ser wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Also I know he took a shot at the Mantis Warriors. Anyone know how that ended up?


How everything Goto touches ends up, badly. I know some of the people at my store hate him for screwing with the Mantis Warriors.

I know he wrote the book but I can't find anything about it. Perhaps it must stay buried.


Be careful. I asked what he messed up about the Eldar and deeply regretted having my curiosity answered. Be warned by my own misfortune, Bronzefists. Do you really want to know?

Yeah, from the sounds of it, Goto's work is like that board game, Jumanji... unearth at your own risk!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452792.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Anfauglir wrote:
knas ser wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
 Envihon wrote:
 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Also I know he took a shot at the Mantis Warriors. Anyone know how that ended up?


How everything Goto touches ends up, badly. I know some of the people at my store hate him for screwing with the Mantis Warriors.

I know he wrote the book but I can't find anything about it. Perhaps it must stay buried.


Be careful. I asked what he messed up about the Eldar and deeply regretted having my curiosity answered. Be warned by my own misfortune, Bronzefists. Do you really want to know?

Yeah, from the sounds of it, Goto's work is like that board game, Jumanji... unearth at your own risk!


I was more thinking the Necronomicon, actually. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6452809.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 farmersboy wrote:
The Shira Calpurnia omnibus...that was such hard work...


I agree. I bought that book 2 years ago and have only made it about 30 pages in. In the meantime I've read about 100 other books.

I think reading car manuals would be more entertaining than that one. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453534.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453538.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453538.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
 Avatrass wrote:
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/C._S._Goto
nuff said
Ohhhhhhhhhhh yes, I'm really digging that Eldar torture.

The Harlequin mime had been strapped to its surface and was pinned by four Marines, each holding one of its limbs in place. The thin, rubbery armour over the alien’s chest had been sliced open and peeled back, exposing its porcelain skin. In turn, the skin had been cut, burnt and shredded until it was awash with bloody colours, almost as vibrant as the eldar’s armour itself.

Mmmmm... I'll have to give his stuff a better look, does anyone have any recommendations for what I should start with?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453553.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you? OT: I personally only read books I really like, because I find it really hard to not finish a book, I'm very specific. I started reading gaunts ghost, got bored, gave it to a friend. about a month later I made him give it back, I finished it and re-gave it to him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6453559.page GMT Re:Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
clively wrote:
 farmersboy wrote:
The Shira Calpurnia omnibus...that was such hard work...


I agree. I bought that book 2 years ago and have only made it about 30 pages in. In the meantime I've read about 100 other books.

I think reading car manuals would be more entertaining than that one.


Sheer bloody-mindedness got me to the end...I'd paid for it, I was determined to finish it.

I've done that before...I once read Battlefield Earth by Loony Raving Hubbard...and several works by Piers Anthony. I suppose I'm a bit of a literary masochist...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6458868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6458868.page GMT Giving up on a Black Library Omni-bus, this ever happen to you?
Animus wrote:
I couldn't get through Eisenhorn, it just never really caught me.


I also did not finish the Eisenhorn omni-bus. I got through the first book and thought it was OK. I only got halfway through the second book, though. Just couldn't hold my interest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6458905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572823/6458905.page GMT