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Tyrant, wings, 2x brainleech devourers

Troops
30 gaunts
30 gaunts
Tervigon
Tervigon
10 genestealers + broodlord
10 genestealers + broodlord

Elites
3 venomthropes

Heavy Support
3 carnifexes with 2x brainleech devourers

1845, lots of S6 and S4 shooting with the genestealers to pin down targets I don't like.

I've thought about moving a tervigon to the HQ slot, dropping one termagaunt brood, and making them into a 20-ish strong gargoyle brood or another small squad of genestealers with a broodlord for more pinning shenanigans.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6435709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6435709.page GMT Messing around with new nids 1850 FMC to make up for it.

Personally I'd rather go for more solid constant fire power options.

Try this and tweak as you go:

2x Tyrant
- devourer, heavy venom cannon (bs 4 s9)

3x30 termagants

Tervigon

2x Harpies
- TL heavy venom cannons

3x Tyrannofexes
- rupture cannon.
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Stick with acid spray and charge that bad boy forwards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6436413.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6436413.page GMT Re:Messing around with new nids 1850
Tervigons are still good as troops and if you're running the 30 gants tax then I would suggest adding about 10 devourers to the unit to give them some more serious firepower at 18" - the other 20 are just the meathshield that will never run away.

Fexes are also much cheaper now and 2 devourers seems to be the way to go with them.

Venomthropes I can sort of see as well, but not really getting the genestealers. That's 400 points in units I see as having only marginal results. Troops are not an issue for you, so maybe look at biovores in the remaining HS slot (still good), gargoyles in FA. For the 2 genestealer units I can run 6 biovores, a unit of 20 gargoyles and still have points for those devourers on the gants. Either that or run the second flyrant, 3 biovores and the devourers.


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 Ravenous D wrote:
Problem with devourers is that you wont be in range of anything turn 1, ever. The tyrant can, which basically puts a big ass bullseye on him. And gives your opponent 1 or 2 turns of shooting at them. I played nidzilla back in 4th, a tyrant without a 2+ save or hive guard is dead. That was true in 5th, and in 6th they had biomancy and FMC to make up for it.

Personally I'd rather go for more solid constant fire power options.

Try this and tweak as you go:

2x Tyrant
- devourer, heavy venom cannon (bs 4 s9)

3x30 termagants

Tervigon

2x Harpies
- TL heavy venom cannons

3x Tyrannofexes
- rupture cannon.


A toughness 5 armour 4 FMC in the harpy is really not going to do anything against a quad gun - twinlinked and autowounds on 2s ... Ok it stops the flyrants dying, but that's a very expensive meathshield when the flyrants can just hop from cover to cover and try to keep out of LOS of the quadgun - not something you can reliably do if you've 4 flyers to keep moving.

Tyrannofex is better as said elsewhere with the close range weapons incuding thorax and not with the rupture cannon - WS3 and no twin-linking does not a reliable weapon make - just ask any IG player about their lascannons ...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6436529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6436529.page GMT Messing around with new nids 1850
And the tyrant isn't much better of a FMC, the only thing that prevented easy kills was biomancy, and that's gone, vendettas, stormtalons, heldrakes, stormravens, crimson hunters all laugh at them. Not to mention one failed grounded test takes them out of the picture. Seriously watch any of the battle reports, they die very quickly.

You need consistent options in Synapse, Anti-tank and scoring. Fail at one and its game over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6437517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6437517.page GMT Messing around with new nids 1850 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6437617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6437617.page GMT Messing around with new nids 1850
2x Tyrant
- devourer, heavy venom cannon (bs 4 s9)

3x30 termagants

Tervigon

2x Harpies
- TL heavy venom cannons

3x Tyrannofexes
- rupture cannon.


This looks really solid but lots of largely unjustified love for the HVC here. Stick to Devourers on the Tyrant and the Crone is exponentially better than the Harpy. I'd scrap the points to upgrade the Harpies to Crones. My concern though is a massive lack of firepower. You've got range do should be hurting the enemy turn 1 but I'm not sure if you're better off waiting a turn or 2 and taking Dakkafexes for real punch.

But otherwise looks very good and has 8 MCs (with a total 42 wounds) for your opponent to deal with.


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And the tyrant isn't much better of a FMC, the only thing that prevented easy kills was biomancy, and that's gone, vendettas, stormtalons, heldrakes, stormravens, crimson hunters all laugh at them


I'd expect better from you Ravenous D because this is flat out wrong. The Tyrant is massively better than the Crone or Harpy.

OK against Vendettas it makes little difference but Guard are getting rarer these days (people are bored with them by now when they get a new codex that might change but I expect a massive nerf bat attack on the Vendetta when that happens).

Helldrakes wound on a 3+ Vs Tyrant 2+ Vs Harpy/Crone with VS they really want to VS the Harpy or Crone but doing so to a Tyrant means you have to kill it or get 11 S6 hits on your rear armour of 10...

Storm talon shoots a Tyrant: 3 S7 shots = 2 hits 1.33 wounds 0.44 unsaved wounds. 4 S6 shots = 3.556 hits .593 rends 1.185 wounds total less than 1.5 unsaved wounds.

Vs Crone/Harpy: 3 S7 = 2 hits = 1.67 unsaved wounds. 4 S6 shots = 3.556 hits = 2.963 unsaved wounds total 4.6296 unsaved wounds and a very nearly dead FMC (over triple the damage caused.

Quad gun fires at HT assume Bs5 = 3.89 hits 0.86 unsaved wounds. Vs Harpy/Crone 3.24 unsaved wounds (nearly 4 times the damage).

AAtides, Missilesides are the same story. Crimson Hunters do literally no damage to either as no one ever takes them only really Skyrays and Vendettas treat both equally. Sky rays are 1 shot and you rarely see more than 2 in a list and as stated guard are less common these days.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6437899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6437899.page GMT Messing around with new nids 1850
Okay. Your opinion is officially on the same scale as barking dog. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6439461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6439461.page GMT Messing around with new nids 1850
Crimson hunters do no damage


It was a joke read what I actually wrote.

and you think Ovesastar wouldn't beat your nids....


I think O'Vesastar is not fantastically suited to taking down 10 Monstrous creatures. Broadside spam would do better against Nidzilla. Try your O'Vesastar against 10 MCs see how you get on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6439496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/573340/6439496.page GMT