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Ok yes I just bought two for like 100 bucks on eBay and was wondering I usually like to keep my army's versatile I have one friend that does the death wing dark angels but the rest is ig necrons tau eldar ultra marines]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458567.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Second thing it does is absorbs a LOT of fire that would otherwise be directed at more critical targets. Thats worth something, truly, if you're an assault army, as mine is. Every single unit not firing at your Raptors is a good thing. And the 5+ Daemon save really makes it nice. It will usually take at least three units to kill it if not more. A Crimson Hunter might be one of those that can down it very quickly. But you can position your stuff so that its mandatory movement at least limits its shots on you. Not always but sometimes.

Vector Striking is unreliable but an added bonus. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458591.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458669.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Khorne and nurgle like PB&J

The Crimson Hunter is a Codex: Eldar jet. Kills flyers but good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458698.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458747.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458758.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458761.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458774.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6458787.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459120.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? Lol it's gonna be like that huh]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459123.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? I USED to take 3 vendettas till people complained, then i stopped..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459149.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459159.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459165.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459174.page GMT Re:Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Its a flying, extremly hard to kill, cover ignoring, 360 degree Marine Toaster. I guess people would even take it, if GW dicides to double its points.

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Petro1987 wrote:And how does it have 360 degrees


HarryLeChien wrote:That long sinuous neck it has equates to a turret, so 360 degrees of fire. Which is nice.


That's not entirely accurate. It has a 360 degree turn because GW said so in the CSM FAQ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459271.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? FAQ again]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459276.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459353.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? IMHO if you bring 3, don't kit all 3 out with the Baleflamer. There really isn't much of a point because two of them will clear the board. 3rd one, keep the hades autocannon on it simply because a Heldrake with one is one of the few anti-flyer options in the codex. Vector strike at S7 if you can, and because how Heldrakes draw line of sight in 360 degrees from the base, you can shoot behind you, it's fairly good at blowing up other flyers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459430.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? TEQ. It is meta-breaking. It's not as overpowered all-around as the Wave Serpent, but it turns many games into a why-bother. So, if it's for funsies, I'd suggest only fielding one.

It's not as bad as it used to be, now that Marines have a few answers in the new codex (still none cost-effective, but at least they can fight it), Tau can put one down, and Eldar can hide things in Serpents until they die. Of the remaining armies, some can endure the thing (Orks and Demons), but some others are still in a bad situation (DE, DA).

Don't forget to Vector Strike with it as you come on the board. I can't count how many stormtalons, tac squand halves, and Wave Serpents that thing has killed that way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459478.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?

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I think three would just be too much ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459485.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
A heldrake bounces off a rhino. Even if it kills it, we're talking S6AP3 against AV11, he gets one dice and needs a six.

The flamer also bounces off terminator armour and other flyers. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459630.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? str 7 actually but I see your point and isn't vector strike d3 plus 1]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459638.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Petro1987 wrote:
It is str 7 actually but I see your point and isn't vector strike d3 plus 1


I think he was referring to the Baleflamer, which is S6 Ap3 Heavy 1, Torrent, Soul Blaze, so it does next to nothing against most vehicles.

The Heldrake's vector strike is D3+1 hits at S7 Ap3, hitting vehicles on side armor, so that's better against vehicles in most situations, but nothing too impressive.

Edit: Nevermind, he was indeed referring to the vector strike. Meteoric Descent gives the Heldrake S7 vector strikes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459682.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459683.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
The 'Drake is OP, meta breaking, and some factions have no real answer for it, but many (most by now?) factions have a chance, if they prepare for it. There are some things it doesn't do well (killing TEQs and AV13+ vehicles).

(As for Rhinos protecting marines, I've never had a Rhino survive it's vector strike. And Tau transports are very expensive. And Eldar transports are either broken or only hold 6 models.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6459805.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6460318.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6460318.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? IG army to protect itself from them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6460347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6460347.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6460348.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6460348.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Two isn't as bad. Normal shooting can take one out. The odds dont stack up as much against you with two and the possibility of Reserve failure and its effect on the Reserving Heldrakes can be more pronounced. So in my opinion the three Drakes pushes ist over.

I say this as a person who only chooses to own or use one. but I would use 2 if i thought it would be better for MY army. But it wouldn't be. I use it as my antiair pretty much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462842.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
 Jancoran wrote:
I doubt 2 heldrakes will make you hated. three seems to be the annoyance point BECAUSE in theory... You can kill three tanks a round and flaminate three units from inside a round...which is DEVASTATING if the enemy has lost its anti-air before it happens.

Two isn't as bad. Normal shooting can take one out. The odds dont stack up as much against you with two and the possibility of Reserve failure and its effect on the Reserving Heldrakes can be more pronounced. So in my opinion the three Drakes pushes ist over.

I say this as a person who only chooses to own or use one. but I would use 2 if i thought it would be better for MY army. But it wouldn't be. I use it as my antiair pretty much.

Use eight in a double FOC game allied to the Black Legion against a MEQ MSU list.

Because friends are overrated. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462851.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462908.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462915.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6462978.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6463256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6463256.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Petro1987 wrote:
I think I will use the two I own both with baleflamers and work it that way


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I think three would just be too much


It's fairly easy to magnatize the head so you can swap weapons out. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6463765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6463765.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6464016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6464016.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6465299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6465299.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
I still only use one Heldrake, but since there is no honor amongst cheese a second one might be on the way.

I see the only real difficult part of having more than one is transporting... I Glued mine together before realizing it didn't fit in any cases, and only managed to snap off one of its wings and re-magnetized it. So even with only one wing, it takes up most of the 4 inch battlefoam...

So magnetize the wings!

Most people in my gaming community bring 2 flyers (more if they are Necrons), so two is becoming almost a necessity.

Most things work best in pairs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6465358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6465358.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6465721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6465721.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I used to think 2 heldrakes was cheesy... Then I played against serpent spam, biker grav spam, and screamer star lists...

I still only use one Heldrake, but since there is no honor amongst cheese a second one might be on the way.

I see the only real difficult part of having more than one is transporting... I Glued mine together before realizing it didn't fit in any cases, and only managed to snap off one of its wings and re-magnetized it. So even with only one wing, it takes up most of the 4 inch battlefoam...

So magnetize the wings!

Most people in my gaming community bring 2 flyers (more if they are Necrons), so two is becoming almost a necessity.

Most things work best in pairs.


I'd like to point out that grav bikers are merely effective. They aren't in the same league as helldrakes, serpents or screamer stars. My BA have beaten C:SM grav bikers several times, and can only handle the helldrake because of expensive Stormravens. The other things you listed give me no chance to win, or even play really. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6466007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6466007.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6467372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6467372.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469695.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469695.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
Sadly there are allot of matchups like this in 40k these days...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469816.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469834.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take?
blackjack wrote:
Unless I taylor I can't handle more than one helldrake at 1500. Guy shows up with two and both come in on turn 2 I just shake his hand.

Sadly there are allot of matchups like this in 40k these days...


What list do you play?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6469982.page GMT Heldrakes worth it? How many do you take? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6470067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/574771/6470067.page GMT